will do >_< also, i think with this amount of information, we could probably take it to the admins and get her banned from toyhouse? most of the transactions took place here, after all
Hello. Due to the unrelenting nature of the person in question, I have decided to submit this PSA to inform the community of her behavior and actions to protect ourselves. I did not want to, but as she has continued attempting to harm people, I am submitting this to warn people to be cautious when dealing with her.
The issue at hand is that Lynniee (DA) / Lynn (TH) has attempted multiple times to profit in unscrupulous manners off of her characters. In fact, it appears in the past month, she has tried it several times, with one unfortunate success and two fortunate failures. Listed below are three cases with evidence compiled. The evidence is compiled in a fairly accurate manner from earliest to latest occurrence in these situations.
Case 1:
Lynn owns an adopt by Piku-chan21 named Shinkiro that she has tentatively put up for trade on occasion. During those times, she would throw out descriptions that it was worth around $500-600, but as people and I would eventually realize, that is not its true value. Recently, she attempted to sell Shinkiro for $1000. When people expressed their concerns that this was an inaccurate number, Lynn edited her post to ask for $500-600 instead. This was still concerning, as she would not give an actual statement as to the adopt’s true value. A day later, I was noted by an user concerned that her friend (who was discussing with Lynn via PM over Shinkiro) could possibly be getting scammed. After receiving information from her, this appeared to be the case, Lynn was trying to sell Shinkiro for $600 and sweetening the deal by offering a secondary character with him. A friend of mine investigated and we have estimated that Shinkiro’s true value is actually around $336 and it is unlikely that the second adopt would be anywhere near $200+ to make it up to $600. As such, it seems to be the case that Lynn was trying to scam the user, but thankfully it fell through and Lynn has at present time, decided to keep Shinkiro. Also of note is Piku's rule of reselling for half or less. Whether that means $336 or around $218 (half of $255 + price of comms) or lower, it is still nowhere near $400, let alone $1000.
Associated Evidence:
http://sta.sh/22642bbkqu2e?edit=1
Edit 4/22/16: Due to new information, I included a sub-folder Sta.sh with evidence of Lynn claiming the false pricing of Shinkiro to others, such a conversation with Cionkeiasta months ago. Will be updated as needed.
Case 2:
In another recent occurrence, Lynn attempted to sell a design by Kraikrai for $20 to Kavaro. The adopt came with the adopt file, and an artwork that was discovered to actually be free. Lynn apologized and reduced the price to $15, at which point Kavaro pointed out that Lynn had told her before it was $6 only. Lynn claimed she had never told Kavaro the price of the adopt, but there is evidence that she has in the past, and that it was indeed stated to be for $6. Contact with the artist Kraikrai by Kavaro revealed that it was indeed $15, but Lynn’s behavior in this instance has rendered the situation suspicious. Attempting to claim it was $20 for something worth $15 is inaccurate and when in the past, she had told Kavaro it was $6, even if it turned out to truly be $15, is quite the jump. Paired with her behavior concerning Shinkiro, it would make most sensible people cautious in their transactions with her.
Associated Evidence:
http://sta.sh/210rjcwjxyiq (The discussion between Kavaro, the potential buyer, and Lynn, the seller.)
https://archive.is/tNO4V
https://archive.is/ceO9R
(Evidence of the adopt’s $6 price claim.)
(As you can see from the third link, she tried to profit from the fluffen *part of Case 3* which can only be gifted due to it being won in a free raffle.)
Case 3:
This is a case I discovered very recently. As can be seen in the sta.sh, Mubean was discovered to be attempting to resell the Fluffen. That Fluffen was won in a raffle by Lynn (Steamed-Bun did not link the TOS in the raffle unfortunately, but her TOS can be found easily enough with the rule very clearly stated), and can only be gifted, not traded nor sold due its nature of being freely won. Discussion with Mubean revealed that they did a sort of character trade - Mubean would send money to Lynn to help her purchase an adopt by Ocono in exchange for the Fluffen. This is essentially a sale, because it basically boiled down to “Buy this adopt for me in exchange for this one [Fluffen], and profit was gained, when the Fluffen can actually only be gifted to people or back to Steamed-Bun. Mubean attempted to resolve the matter with Lynn peacefully, asking for a refund, but as can be seen in the notes, she was steadfast in her denial that she had profited, forcing Mubean’s hand in going through with a chargeback.
Associated Evidence:
http://sta.sh/222dvxqqhm66?edit=1
http://steamed-bun.deviantart.com/art/CYOP-samurai-fluffen-raffle-WINNER-ANNOUNCED-512396048 The adopt in question. As can be seen, Lynn won it in a free raffle.
http://steamed-bun.deviantart.com/journal/Adoptable-Policies-426738592
On top of these cases, Lynn has been known for expressing peculiar behavior in other matters, such as pricing of adopts, badgering people relentlessly for characters that are not up for sale, or for artists to lower their commission prices. This is not to say every character she sells has been overpriced nor every experience with her foul, but it certainly makes legitimate transactions with her hard to perform. Please take heed of the evidence compiled here and be cautious in interacting with her or avoid her entirely.
Thank you for your time, everyone, and have a good day.
P.S. Also, thank you to everyone who helped me compile the evidence. Kudos to all of you, ahhh.
Ah, that is a very good point. Do you think she should be warned to clean up her act or should I just take it straight to the admins? Though they might end up deciding on a warning too. Hmm. I think it's best to talk to the admins though, definitely. Because yeaaaa, she's hurt at least 2+ people and has attempted but failed, to hurt many others.
i believe she has had plenty of chances to change for the better, yet she refuses. i think admins would be best way
uhmmmm truth be told, i have about 5 tickets that have gone unanswered right now in my own queue.. i am not sure how fast they could get to this situation that way ): it may be best to go straight to an admin(s) and see what they have to say? minsu took care of my problem with another member pretty quickly.
Oh, wow, that is quite the list ._. I had no idea she was guilty of doing shady stuff on the regular! I did witness her trying to get art for an adopt without monutary value, since then I was suspicious but woah, that is really messed up :O
I really appreciate you looking out for the community but I do promise that nothing I have done has EVER been to harm someone or scam someone. Yes, the situation with shinkiro was my fault. I didn't know his price but knew I spent a lot. His AB was 250+ and a lot of extras. I apologized immediately and deleted the forum. I messaged piku themself and explained the situation and expressed my deepest sorries. I'll be happy to say that he has a new home residing with Mayomie through an exchange of 3 characters to me, and shinkiro to her.
Regarding the kavaro issue, it was another honest mistake. I thought the extra was one I paid $5 for, it was not. I apologized and we got the correct pricing from Kraikrai herself. It is $15. A mistake that made everyone hate me, even when it was quickly corrected and I was very upset.
Now, the last situation. I have the evidence and the complete conversation between Mubean and I. Firstly, there is no place where it says I CANNOT trade the fluffen. I checked their journals, the post, and the comment where I won. I tried checking my notes but there is no conversation between her and I. Nothing says I could not trade it. Regarding that, it was 100% clear throughout the entire conversation with Mu that they were buying the OCONO character and trading me it for the fluffen. I can post the entire conversation if needed. I also spoke to Ocono and she sided with me, after agreeing that it was a trade of characters. MU DID NOT BUY THE FLUFFEN. They charge back me on paypal, I paid it, all is done there. I have attempted to contact steamed-bun for months with no answer. If she says that I cannot trade it, then I will take the fault. As of now I will stand with all of my evidence against it.
Seriously, I absolutely appreciate you spreading awareness. I understand my actions have been mistaken and a constant wave of mistakes. From now on I have taken EXTREME care to make sure I price everything and trade fairly. Thank you for allowing me to state my case. If you would like to see screenshots of the last case let me know. I love this community so much and I don't want to be falsely claimed as something I am not. Again, this is not an attack on your post but simply a claim on my side. I'm typing this all on mobile so I apologiZe for any typos or gibberish. Thank you.
Also, I searched endlessly in steamed-bun journals and that is absolutely the first time I ever saw that. Before that I literally could find nothing and I was confused as to why everyone told me I could not. I suppose I took the term regift differently. Either way, mu got her payment back in full. If it makes anyone feel betrer, I am willing to go through the people of this counsel to look over my characters when I am about to resell or trade them. I will have anyone look at the prices and be a third person watch of everything that happens from now on. Until I can show myself to be a person that simply made a series of bad mistakes, not a scammer. I've cried over this endlessly. I am very sorry. So, vespisia, kavaro, or anyone else who is willing to do 3rd person transactions, I welcome it. I can notify you.
One last thing for the night... I've never wanted to hurt anyone. I'm bad at this, I'm bad at making ammends, but I do want to make it right. Help me with any transactions, I'm willing to open that up to anyone that wants to witness. I don't want to hurt anyone else. I'm already in the process of repaying Em. From now on everything will be 100% right. I'm looking to quit the community for a while. Trade / sell the babes that I know I don't need to better homes, get art occasionally or trade a character for art. I won't be buying characters for a long time. I appreciate everything. Just let me know who to contact when I trade / sell % Trade for art next.