context: someone had gone through my NSFW twitter likes/follows, as well as pixiv follows and found some concerning content. the concerns are justified, so i would like to address it below
EDIT 3: content under a spoiler now, because the huge wall of text was giving me anxiety, and it also discusses some NSFW topics.
i would have commented directly on the callout made about me but the user who made the callout has me blocked on all platforms so i was unable to respond to it. based on the post they are also not interested in any kind of response from me, but i know people who follow me want a response. so for those followers who are concerned about it, this is for you.
i'm not sure if i should link the callout or not, because i don't want it to seem like i am "sending my fans" to attack this person. of course i don't want anyone to attack them. they are just a viewer who is concerned about this content, which is extremely reasonable. if i were a fan seeing this i would be concerned too, as those concerns are justified.
to be extremely clear: I DO NOT SUPPORT OR CONDONE NSFW UNDERAGE CONTENT!!! AT ALL!! i find it highly disgusting and any association i have with it is incidental and DEFINITELY not intentional. i will immediately not associate with an account i find that posts this sort of material, point blank period.
this kind of content actually makes me sick to my stomach, i don't like it in ANY way. not even in artwork.
the issue of course comes with my NSFW twitter account, which i almost never log into or use at all. i don't often see what people post there or pay attention to any of the accounts i have followed. yes, i understand this is an issue. apparently i had followed some accounts that i was completely unaware posted this sort of content. i have unfollowed everyone on my NSFW twitter as a precaution since i'm not terribly interested in NSFW content anyway and to be safe i would prefer to just not follow any at all. i have also removed all of my likes on that account for the same reason. you can of course hold me accountable for these mistakes, but do not misinterpret it as me liking this content.
regarding the likes:
-i liked some redraws from the sailor moon challenge. they were all SFW images. i'm not even familiar with who the artist puyocha brio is so i probably just saw the tweet randomly show up on my timeline and fav'd it.
-i don't watch/read BNHA, i'm not familiar with any of the characters of this show, so the post i fav'd was just me liking some art i thought was nice. the character in the artwork did not look underage, they looked like an adult, so i had no idea.
-similarly i'm not very familiar with the zelda/BOTW series. i was just liking art i thought looked nice, and it was not because i was ogling after some underage characters. of course i know who zelda and link are, but i don't play the games and i don't know much about the characters/story.
-the squidling is a mutuals squid-sona and said mutual is an adult
- the schoolgirl uniform was honestly just a mistake. i was not paying attention.
-i'm also not familiar with Galko i just saw a nice drawing and fav'd it, again. the body type is obviously the body of a mature character, how would a person unfamiliar with the character assume she was underage?
regarding the follows:
- as i said before, i just kind of mindlessly followed people with art i thought was nice. i saw a piece pop up on my timeline and would hit follow without doing much research. a lot of follows on my NSFW account are from many years ago and i'm not even that familiar with the artists or the content they draw. i do realize that this was careless of me, and since i do not use my NSFW twitter that often it is just not something i paid attention to.
- it is also customary in Japan (where i live) when meeting people at conventions to follow them on their social medias. this caused me to follow a lot of people i actually had no idea who they were. before posting this i just reviewed some of the accounts i had followed on my pixiv and i was pretty disgusted by the content they create... and i'm really sorry that others had to also see me follow this and assumed it was something i supported.
regarding my pixiv account:
-i literally have not logged into that account in years, i have no idea who i am even following there. i might as well deactivate it because i don't want to be associated with that kind of crap AT ALL.
regarding my friends demon webcomic:
the characters are not meant to portray underage characters. the style was taking inspiration from Panty and Stocking, which is why the proportions of the characters are like that. but they are not children nor are they underage.
i don't know how relevant it is to mention or not but they also did not intend for the devil girls/lychgate series to contain any porn.
to respond to a direct quote from the callout:
"it's too coincidental to just be an "accident" that they have so many visible cub artists that you can SPOT from a mile away followed."
- actually yes it is a coincidence. i am incredibly careless. i don't review people i follow, and i don't often check my social media accounts, so i'm not constantly seeing what the people i follow post. i hardly ever use my NSFW twitter and if i do it's usually just to post a tit, and then i log off. for my pixiv account it has literally just been inactive for years.
as a side note: i am asexual and most interest i have in NSFW art comes from appreciating the artwork and not being sexually attracted to it.
i understand this does not remove me from taking responsibility for my carelessness, but i hope it can at least help to clear up any residual concerns.
i do wish the user who created the callout had come to me personally, but i also understand why it was done and i do not wish this user any ill-will.
EDIT 1: apologies the post was locked, i have it unlocked now. i also had the setting to mature because of discussions of NSFW content, but i also removed that. i don't know if it's appropriate or if TH will punish that or not, but i wanted people to be able to see my response.
EDIT 2: people had expressed additional concerns about there being too many accounts to be a mere coincidence, so i feel i should expand on that a bit further. in my haste to get a response to the callout and clear the air, i did not go terribly in-depth on this part, but i feel it's definitely necessary to help others understand the situation. i commented this already in a reply below, but i am also adding it here:
-i understand how looking at a condensed list of suspicious accounts i used to follow seems fishy, and i have seen a few others think it's too many to be a coincidence. i'd like to explain it a bit further since i didn't go terribly in-depth on my post.
many years ago i would mass-follow accounts, either random people i would meet at conventions and we would exchange follows as a courtesy (without vetting their accounts or content), or sometimes even just random people (before i really had a following i would try to re-follow anyone who followed me, before realizing this was kind of a futile goal). i did eventually try to weed some of those accounts out because i'd just be inundated with content i wasn't familiar with or even interested in. but i also don't spend terribly much time on social media, so i would do this in small bursts over the course of a few years.
the one account i never did this on though was pixiv since i had just completely abandoned and forgotten about it.
in the callout, the user mentions that they have proof of accounts i used to follow, but when they posted the callout i no longer followed certain accounts: this was probably during one of my phases of trying to clean out accounts like that. exactly for the reasons mentioned: because the content was disgusting and not something i support at all.
most of the artists on the list are ones i dont even recognize the names or the artwork. but there are certain ones i DO recognize, and i remember exactly why i followed them (two of them specifically used to draw really cool dragons), but it seems over the years their content had really changed into some really disgusting things. since i don't actively look at my timelines this was just a change in content i didn't notice until it was too late.
to some this sorta thing might seem really obvious and clear, but i really do not spent that much time on my socials. i just hope that some people reading this who feel suspicious can at least understand that people have different browsing habits, and sometimes these things just go unnoticed.
i vehemently despise this kind of content, i don't even enjoy it a little bit. it is NOT alright. it makes me feel sick and upset, and knowing that i had been following some of those types just makes my skin crawl.
i'm not trying to force anyone's opinion to change, people are more than welcome to feel uncomfortable by my association with it. i don't feel comfortable either, so i really can't blame others. i'm just trying my best to explain my truth of the situation.
awww Im so late to the party I didnt knew this happend to you! I was wondering
why everything is so silent and just found out about this by accident >.<; still wanne send you some positive vibes!
its always super hard to make people understand that this kind of stuff is not intentional and do can happend! (I never check all
people I follow either)
youre a very sweet soft bean and I know not everyone has the luxery to have meet you irl like I did or they would see that
youre definatly not into this kind of stuff nather be interested in doing harm. much love!!!
3 days, 17 hours ago
Honestly, I'm sorry people attacked you for this accident and that you've had to reiterate several times that it's part of Japanese culture to follow social media of people you meet. I keep seeing Western users attack Eastern users again and again out of not understanding or even caring to try to understand that there are different customs over there. It isn't fishy and suspicious that you mass followed accounts without paying attention to them: the social atmosphere that created the mass following was linked to your culture. That's abundantly clear to me, and I hope it becomes clear to others, too. I hope that unfollowing all those unsettling accounts has helped you with the skin-crawling feelings and any guilt you have over this. Personally, I don't see how you did anything wrong since as soon as you were made aware, you took action. That person should have contacted you privately instead of making a call-out post, though. The situation would have been resolved without putting you through unneeded stress.
2 months, 17 days ago
3 months, 11 days ago
I hope you're doing alright, Seel. This must be really stressful, stay safe. Sending love & support your way :]
3 months, 11 days ago
Personally I would kinda like to see the call out post. Both you and Onta followed (Pujo? I think is their name?) The person responsible for alot of shota content and I think is the writer behind boku no pico, I know he has had another doujin turned into a hentai. (If I recall Onta has another twitter that he followed them on too, but that twitter has not been touched in a while.) Still, it seems rather odd you guys would follow this person that many times. (granted, you did only once but your close with Onta) I am sorry its just really sus.
3 months, 11 days ago
I was not really familiar with the scope of Poju's artwork and kinda just followed him because Onta was a huge fan. I had unfollowed Poju a long, long time ago.
I realize my association with Onta has been a concern for many people, for a long time. For me this topic is really difficult since he was a very close real life friend.
After some other close friends even approached me about their concerns with it, I have decided to start separating myself from him.
This may be a long and painful process for me though, because of personal reasons, so it may take time and I would prefer not to get into personal details.
But from here forward I will distance myself from Onta.
3 months, 11 days ago
Ah, thank you for the clarification. I know you are Onta are close (I thought you two were also roomates too?) so that seems like a very hard thing to go though. Onta being a huge fan is well... You know the yikes of that. But its unfortunate that you have to deal with that. =c
3 months, 11 days ago
Sending love your way <3 Everything you're saying makes perfect sense. I wish you weren't under such scrutiny.
3 months, 12 days ago
what made me weirded out in the first place was them using the “child-like bodies” argument. The characters all seemed to be adult in the video shown. Though the whole going through your nsfw acc and picking out media they saw and their lack of even asking for a possible logical response and reason just shows it was flimsy to begin with. It irked me and came off as heavily biased. There was barely any evidence to show it was proving anything besides maybe a couple of them being an issue. I feel like they brought up the other creators to make you and them look bad. But I'm glad you said something that was actually reasonable and logical to it.
3 months, 13 days ago
This is honestly one of my biggest pet peeves. When someone makes a callout or accuses you of something without having any info or contacting you first. Unless its something very serious with lots of evidence (Like pedophilia) I think that people should address the issue privately first before making a beware. All of that aside, everyone makes mistakes. People can be careless or not pay attention to things, but that doesn't mean they condone underage NSFW behavior. I honestly didn't hear a thing about this until you made this bulletin, and is an understandable mistake, I'm glad it didn't blow up too bad :)
3 months, 13 days ago
they definitely shouldve just communicated in private with you about this :( this is such a big problem on twitter with people having secret accounts or dogwhistles in their bio most people wouldnt know, being purposefully obscure about what they like, going from posting content that's fine to content that's disgusting, etc. and a lot of the time you won't even see if they post it (whether you're following lots of people, rarely check the app, have words muted and don't see it, whatever.) and a lot of it is twitter's problem in the first place for allowing such content. i'm very glad you don't support that kind of thing and sorry that it had to be a huge public thing rather than cleared up in DMs. having sexual trauma i know how sickened and upset i would be to find out i had been following someone like that, so i hope you're okay and it isn't weighing too heavy on you. take care seel!
3 months, 14 days ago
3 months, 14 days ago
I hate how everyone is trying to cancel ugh
I'm happy everyone is supporting you <3 thanks for explaining you didn't do anything wrong aaa :0
3 months, 15 days ago
some things said here kinda feel like [incredibly clear sign right there you'd have to be blind to miss] "i didn't know" but idk-
3 months, 16 days ago
could you explain what you mean? i don't really understand, i'm sorry
3 months, 16 days ago
sorry to comment again before you had a chance to reply, but a friend helped me understand what your comment might mean: it seems suspicious that i unknowingly followed so many accounts like this on accident (?)
i understand how looking at a condensed list of suspicious accounts i used to follow seems fishy, and i have seen a few others think it's too many to be a coincidence. i'd like to explain it a bit further since i didn't go terribly in-depth on my post.
many years ago i would mass-follow accounts, either random people i would meet at conventions and we would exchange follows as a courtesy (without vetting their accounts or content), or sometimes even just random people (before i really had a following i would try to re-follow anyone who followed me, before realizing this was kind of a futile goal). i did eventually try to weed some of those accounts out because i'd just be inundated with content i wasn't familiar with or even interested in. but i also don't spend terribly much time on social media, so i would do this in small bursts over the course of a few years.
the one account i never did this on though was pixiv since i had just completely abandoned and forgotten about it.
in the callout, the user mentions that they have proof of accounts i used to follow, but when they posted the callout i no longer followed certain accounts: this was probably during one of my phases of trying to clean out accounts like that. exactly for the reasons mentioned: because the content was disgusting and not something i support at all.
most of the artists on the list are ones i dont even recognize the names or the artwork. but there are certain ones i DO recognize, and i remember exactly why i followed them (two of them specifically used to draw really cool dragons), but it seems over the years their content had really changed into some really disgusting things. since i don't actively look at my timelines this was just a change in content i didn't notice until it was too late.
to some this sorta thing might seem really obvious and clear, but i really do not spent that much time on my socials. i just hope that some people reading this who feel suspicious can at least understand that people have different browsing habits, and sometimes these things just go unnoticed.
i vehemently despise this kind of content, i don't even enjoy it a little bit. it is NOT alright. it makes me feel sick and upset, and knowing that i had been following some of those types just makes my skin crawl.
i'm not trying to force anyone's opinion to change, people are more than welcome to feel uncomfortable by my association with it. i don't feel comfortable either, so i really can't blame others. i'm just trying my best to explain my truth of the situation.
(i'll also add this to the document for further clarity)
3 months, 15 days ago
you sure put a lot of effort into replying to 1 very vague thing i said that i didn't care much about
i don't even have an opinion on this whole thing, but you seem good at not getting cancelled
3 months, 15 days ago
er? ok. i was just trying to be more clear about some points that seemed to just cause additional concerns. have a good day.
3 months, 15 days ago
Why are you upset that someone is providing detailed explanations for severe accusations against them? Especially since it could be false? (Not the following gross accounts part). People are understandably confused or upset so if anything it’s great that they’re willing to be transparent about it.
3 months, 14 days ago Edited 3:03 pm
To be honest- I didn't hear anything about this. It really doesn't surprise me that something like this happened though- Considering your size and popularity. I think your explanation makes sense, hell. I know I'm still subscribed to people on YouTube I don't like or maybe agree with anymore- But I have so many subscriptions, it would be painful to search through all- To check every channels content to see if I still like them. People expecting that of you is kind of BS- But I do see where they got their point of view based on the things you said you've previously liked without knowledge/context of the character featured.
I think really anyone would have come to that conclusion based on EVERYTHING you've said did happen- But the difference is immediately assuming, or looking into it. Unfortunately- On the internet peoples first response most of the time is to blast it.
3 months, 16 days ago
Woah . . . I was just popping onto your TH to browse your OCs. I hadn't even heard of this going down. That's really scary. . . I've always been low-key worried that someone I'm watching may turn out to be a sketchy person and that people will try to accuse me of supporting questionable content while I'm just blissfully unaware of it existing. I appreciate you coming out to address things and go bullet by bullet. I tend to stay away from 99% of NSFW stuff just because I'm paranoid/it makes me uncomfy, but that whole situation sounds like it could really just happen to anybody. Hell, there are probably numerous people we all watch that post problematic stuff and we'd be none the wiser for not going through every artist's entire gallery whenever we follow/watch someone.
3 months, 16 days ago
I'm glad to see such positive comments on here, getting 'cancelled' is scary especially if you didn't even know there was an issue going on.
That person 'knew for a year' they said on the twitter mirror which makes the PSA seem really... stalkery.
Not only does your explanation make complete sense, but that person really needs to work out their own issues, clearly.
Especially since a lot of their post was, honestly, more like a promotion piece for those artists... the whole thing was just handled horribly imo.
Hope you're doing well, be safe.
3 months, 16 days ago
3 months, 16 days ago
The idea that someone took the time to try and force connections to you, regardless of what kind of accusation, honestly makes me worried to even be on the internet these days XD I watch thousands of people, most of them 100% randomly and without any digging into who they are because there's just so many artists and people in the world - there's not enough time to vet everyone in such horrifying depths. I'd be more concerned this person stalked you just to stir some drama. lol I'm sorry you had to deal with this at all, and hope this person manages to find the energy to do less destructive things with their time than point fingers.
3 months, 16 days ago
I appreciate the clarity and honesty of your response. I never saw the original callout but I know from my own experience on Twitter that it's hard to know what people have or will post on their accounts. It's also a little unreasonable to expect someone to research every artist they follow... I wish artists who drew pedophilic art would identify themselves but I guess that's not a very popular title for them, huh? Anyways, you handled this really well but I'm sorry you were blindsided by a callout altogether.
3 months, 16 days ago
I'm really really bad at explaining my thoughts but the OG callout seems a little ableist to me as someone with autism. I am very frequently just liking and following willy nilly especially when I'm having a hard day. It has become a coping mechanism (stim?) for me. This of course wouldn't exempt me for liking anything blatantly bad but as someone who struggles to look into stuff and read practically anything at all, it would be extremely hard for me to research who I'm following. If someone calls out said person for crap and I see it I will unfollow them of course. But beyond that I rarely have the time or ability to push myself to look deep into a persons stuff.
I know the OP didn't intend it like this but its important to remember that not everyone online (even those with a small-large following) are neurotypical. It doesn't excuse purposefully bad behavior or content but we often make mistakes or misunderstand things in every part of our lives.
Hope this made sense, I'm bad at writing. Love you Seel, I hope everything gets better.
3 months, 16 days ago
I really appreciate this response. I didnt think you were the type of person who would be into that sort of thing and the post seemed kinda reaching... seeing you respond so quickly, clearly, and honestly is awesome. And im totally guilty of faving stuff or following people for one piece of art or thing they do and not knowing about the other stuff. My biggest blunder was following and being a fan of sixpenceee on tumblr. I never knew they had all those things they did or any drama because it was just some random creepy aesthetic on my dash that I saw every so often.
And honestly? I've probably faved at least one problematic thing on my old nsfw blog (now deleted lol) not knowing much about the character. Honestly I didnt even know link was mentally a 10 year old, and I just like art of him in that blue outfit cuz it's pretty. So nobody's perfect, bit it's good to own up to mistakes. I personally will be avoiding anything remotely sexual looking with that character from now on so I learned something new myself today! D:
3 months, 16 days ago
Heyo, don't need to worry about the Link thing kek. Not sure if they were confused or just generalising, but Breath of the Wild Link is suggested to be an adult. (Going from hyrule knight to Zelda's protector) It's Ocarina of Time Link that is mentally 10 cause you play as him as a child but then frozen in time until he is an adult. Botw Link was frozen for 100 years yes, but he was put in as an adult and didn't age.
All the Links are different in background and age in each game, so with saying Botw Link is mentally 10 is kinda oof So no need to worry about botw Link xD
3 months, 16 days ago Edited 6:27 pm
oh, ok! That's the one with the blue bellydancer outfit, right? I just think it's pretty and wish I looked good enough to wear something like that xD plus I have a few characters who would rock it too lol
3 months, 16 days ago
3 months, 16 days ago
Your fine, no need to be sorry or feel bad. I use to follow people mindlessly without knowing there content on twitter. I never really put mind and thought into what they posted.
3 months, 16 days ago
i hate callout culture, it makes no sense. you didn't do anything bad
3 months, 16 days ago
3 months, 16 days ago
It's really that simple to just unfollow and/or deactivate if you don't want to interact with stuff like that. Once it was made aware to you, you took the steps to do so, and made a post as soon as you could. Nothing in your post is guilting, manipulative, or anything at all to me. It seems honest and genuine and I do the same with my own NSFW accounts; I simply like art, as an asexual myself, and totally understand that point of view.
I feel like, while there are valid concerns that I agree with as well if I wasn't understanding of the whole context, it largely bases off of popularity. Not to say this is a hit-piece either - again, valid concerns! But if you weren't so popular, I feel like this could've been resolved more quietly. Then again, it may have been the only way the original poster might have felt they could have reached you in some sort of groundbreaking way.
Overall, while this apology isn't really mine to accept as I'm not super active with you/your fanbase, I can appreciate the lengths you went to in order to clear everything out and apologize honestly. You admit you were careless and I can understand that too; Becoming popular can hold strange and new responsibilities and changes who you are from when you were first starting out. I guess that includes being judged in a new light to old, dusty stuff.
I don't normally comment on anything ever, but I wanted to let you know that there's one more person out there who supports you and understands the situation, and hopefully that could be a bit comforting.
3 months, 16 days ago
I had a bad feeling about said callout. I can understand the cub porn part but the Inkling and Link proof? I felt like they kinda went overboard with that. Just like the Pokemon Protagonists, I see inklings as a representation of yourself, as the player. Mostly because you can customize your character and such.
Happy you did make a response though! I am more disappointed with the OP. I know it can be anxious talking to a big creator like yourself. But at the same time, they dug through your likes and following. That rubbed me the wrong way.
3 months, 16 days ago
I try not to comment too much, but honestly? They might just be misunderstanding. I don't think you should have to feel guilty or apologetic, though I understand why you feel the need to do it. It's hard because people cannot outright read your intentions or thought process, and you want to clarify that such intentions and thought processes aren't what others might think they are. It's simple to say, "fuck them and just do you; the only opinion that should matter is yourself," but sadly it's never that simple. And it never helps when people don't understand or don't WANT to understand. And people can be quick to raise arms.
Just remember, you are not the people you follow.
I used to, and to some extent still, very much enjoy the style of shadbase, yet he is a piece of shit that's done child porn and other questionable things. I don't support any of his actions nor like those things, but i do enjoy the way he colors and shades. Honestly gorgeous. From loosely explaining, some people would just assume someone like me is into CP or in general not caring about what he has done. But it's like they would never consider the idea that I would just avoid looking at those things and look at what I want of his content. That I simply do not support his career. I don't fund anything of his. I don't follow him. I don't condone it, yet I can say I love his artstyle. I like the way he does his shading. And these are two disconnected facts that some might choose to connect. You can like the art without liking the artist. You can like a piece of art from an artist without liking everything they like or stand for.
People assume that because you like something, you have to like all of it. I probably also like questionable stuff. I like looking at poses for example, both sexy and non-sexy. I'm asexual as well so i understand completely when you are saying you like and follow people because of their art. When I love the way something looks, im not reading into more than that. Not thinking of this characters age unless it straight up looks like a toddler. (Even then it's one thing to like a drawing of a kid compared to a drawing of a kid in a suggestive manner.) However, it's not gonna be the same for all asexuals, or in general all people. And sadly maybe that character you really liked about- be it about its color method, style, pose, perspective, etc - is deemed bad by others. And it just might be. And that's okay to make that mistake, especially if it was a simple "I liked the way it was drawn".
That being said, you both (you and the person who called you out) have the right to your own opinions. It seems their concerns are valid and I understand them as it feels more and more people are outed to be kiddy diddlers. We want to keep it safe for everyone, especially the kids, but know you did nothing wrong. From what I can tell you never actively pushed the idea around that you like those things. And as of the moment, it's hard to tell if this person called you out not understanding but scared and hurt that someone they might've looked up to could possibly be a bad person, and rectified it without trying to understand it first, or not wanting to understand. The world is often full of liars so it's hard to tell when the person you look up to is telling the truth. We hate feeling like we can't be trustful of others. We want to believe the people we follow, looked up to, and support are good people that can be trusted.. However.. It seems like a simple misunderstanding and I think you handled this nicely.
Edit: granted as I am thinking about this perhaps it's easy for me to say this because I don't think I'm following anyone that does those type of drawings. It might also depend on how much they would draw those types.
anyway sorry for long comment. Stay safe everyone.
3 months, 16 days ago Edited 2:45 am
I honestly felt the same regarding it...
3 months, 17 days ago
I will comment the same thing I did on the other persons callout. Everyone consider this,
I dont agree with saying seel is into this or that because art styles. Making things more cute means making things more round. Simple concept. Anime characters mostly have rounded heads. Especially moe characters. I disagree with this entirely. It´s a dumb argument. It´s like saying drawing nsfw of pikachu is cub art whenever there´s been a pikachu in the anime almost 90 years old. Pikachu is just a small creature.
You see why this is a matter of opinion? Look maybe it´s true seel is not into certain fandoms and just liked the art without knowing. It´s easy to do specially if you consider it´s hard to tell age based on art styles.
Please NOTE: Maybe my pikachu example was a bad example but smaller creatures in general drawn accurately in anime style might confuse people to think it´s cub when a lot of the time it isn´t. I know there´s some special cases but try to consider the above argument for a sec. People want to have cute small characters. It´s not a problem and anime and moe are popular. Maybe blame the anime industry instead of people liking anime. It´s popular for what it is. Not everyone has ill intent when drawing this material.
3 months, 17 days ago
While I'm glad you are able to...fix? this situation. While there is valid concerns in their post, most of it from what I can see is nickpicking and fair opinion on certain artstyles. I can poke out the Zelda stuff as dumb, since both BOTW Link and Twilight Link as well as Ocarina Zelda to be heavily suggested to be adult via in game dialog and basic game lore. (No I am not trusting a wiki- if I still had my hyrule historia I would be double checking through it, but personal opinion the only underage Links are WW, OoT, MM, 4swords and the old gameboy games)
Sure, some artists in those links is questionable and its good that you've unfollowed them, but even then. You are an adult. It's none of their business what you do or like. In my opinion, they most likely would have tried to do this anyways even if you have a private twitter account for that kind of content, I believe that cause I don't trust people not to pull that regardless. Their opinion is that most of that content is problematic and that's fine, some of that stuff can be problematic for obvious and logical reasons, but I say some is of valid concerns while others is purely based on art style alone.
Good for you to taking this situation into account and try to address it, but I'll say it for those who looked over the content as well. Take it with a grain of salt. The poster doesn't understandably don't want to be known, but if I could find out that they were a minor who was posting this, I would farther say take it with a grain of salt.
The fact that they posted this "callout" without even messaging you first about their concerns and just went straight into: PUBLIC CALLOUT Is suspicious itself and honestly they can make excuse about being an "anxious person who doesn't want to dm people or bother people" but that is countered by the fact the callout post even exists.
EDIT: I just noticed that they linked directly to your nsfw account. They're suggesting one of the reasons why they wanted to bring attention to this cause you are being followed by minors on all your sfw platforms...And they gave them a direct link to nsfw content that isn't censored. Good job callout OP. You really didn't think that through did you?
3 months, 17 days ago Edited 6:08 am
hi zelda fan here just to correct you - ocarina of time link is NOT an adult. he's mentally still a child, his body just aged. hope this helps!
3 months, 16 days ago
I was talking about OoT Zelda in that context not Link since it was a OoT Zelda art that was linked in the post. Props didn't say it clearly enough rip, my bad.
But nah I know, I said Zelda cause she grew up into an adult and wasn't frozen in time unlike Link, I'm aware that OoT Link is mentally a minor
3 months, 16 days ago Edited 7:42 am
no worries at all! i might've misread. thanks for letting me know tho <33
3 months, 16 days ago
Np! I actually appreciate the conern, it's nice to know if I did make a mistake afsgddj
3 months, 16 days ago
I completely feel this Seel, I’ll see one post someone makes in my TL and I just like and follow right away if I liked the art enough without even checking their other content. I try to check more often but for old follows that have built up from a 6 year old account, I literally have no time to sift through 1.8k follows OTL
It’s a bad habit but I don’t think anyone should be vindicated for it and certainly not presumed the worst thing without actually asking— I kinda wished the person contacted you to ask first rather than just posting a callout.
3 months, 17 days ago Edited 1:28 am
3 months, 17 days ago
I see, thank you for responding to this situation so quickly. I became very fearful considering I spend around 90$ for the Chimereon MYO and the Grimbelle plush and I didnt want to believe that you would be interested for such things.
3 months, 17 days ago
I totally understand u!! the fact ppl went thru ur likes to find something incriminating and never talked to you is also pretty shitty
Ive eveh accidentally done a similar thing myself!! And im a minor!!! I used to like every post i saw with a cute thumbnail, and thank god i decided to check what it was one time , and it was nsfw without any warnings :”D
3 months, 17 days ago Edited 12:42 am
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3 months, 17 days ago
3 months, 17 days ago
man I don't understand how people can just expect others to do in depth research about every piece of media or every artist they interact with 😒 as if they can't just dm you and let you know I case you weren't aware, but people nowadays think it's better to jump to the assumption that you're fully aware of everything at all times and that any mistake was intentional. sorry you're dealing with this kind of crap, it's not what you deserve and I hope it clears up soon, can't please everyone unfortunately 😔
3 months, 17 days ago
Unfortunately people just want to call other's out for things and make a big deal out of nothing, it's a problem. I hope people won't try bothering you because of them.
3 months, 17 days ago Edited 10:58 pm
That's very sad to hear! :C
3 months, 17 days ago
ive run into similar problems, not knowing an artist posts such things or not knowing about certain characters <:( it sucks, i know you dont intend to support underage nsfw. i wish people could approach and let someone know that something is worrying, because sometimes you really didnt know! a lotta folks get easily caught up in immediately blocking and assuming the worst
im sorry things couldnt be worked out better from the start
3 months, 17 days ago
I don't understand what they meant by your apology being "lacking / a bit inadequate"? And as morupeko mentioned on the original PSA, "its hard to monitor every single mutuals for years when you're a freelance artist on social messenger services" , "I was just doubtful if they were following one of them ... and the artist suddenly started drawing those...gross stuff"
I know it's really hard to directly confront someone, specially about a topic as sensitive as this one, when you suffer from anxiety, but I gotta say...... everything could have went so much easier if they tried to talk things out with you ;;
They have all the right to be uncomfortable with these things, i'd be really upset if I found out someone I admired was into some shady stuff too... I hope they'll take some time to read this bulletin and try to understand your side of this situation, everyone commits mistakes ):
3 months, 17 days ago
would you be willing to dm the original post?
3 months, 17 days ago
i'll send you a DM
3 months, 17 days ago
Honestly, this is the best and most in-depth response to a callout I've ever seen. I've admired your work for years so I really hope that isn't coloring my opinion, but as far as I'm aware, for all the Buyer Beware/etc replies I've witnessed, yours has definitely been the most thorough and--.. uh, what's a good word for "not guilt-trippy?" That.
I haven't been on Twitter for the entire pandemic, so I'm just now finding out two other artists whose works I adored are also problematic folks, and I'm so relieved this appears to not be the case with you as well!
I hope everything goes alright and neither your professional nor personal life are tarnished by any of this.
3 months, 17 days ago
Ah, 0k. Just kn0w y0u did the right thing t0 resp0nd t0 this in a well w0rded way, Im super s0rry t0 hear this. I wish they at least give a chance t0 hear y0ur side 0f st0ry. F0r this stuff can happen by accident. But w0nt be a f0rgivable accident (t0 s0me pe0ple). Just be m0re mindful and careful next time. Stay healthy Seel!
3 months, 17 days ago
Thank you for responding to this!! I’d seen the bulletin a few days back. The evidence didn’t feel damning enough to me, but even so I wanted to hear your response.
Really this was such a well worded response- thank you
3 months, 17 days ago
i did not even know about it until i woke up this morning (from the comments on my profile)
if i had known when it was posted i would have addressed this much much sooner
3 months, 17 days ago
I’m sorry dude, but you did the right thing here. I hope you can rest easy after all this
3 months, 17 days ago
Heya, random artist with their two cents here. New to this whole situation, but massive massive respect to you for publically explaining everything out and holding yourself accountable. Hoping the fallout isn't too terrible for you.
3 months, 17 days ago
thank you, i do appreciate it, but whatever fallout there is are just consequences that will come from careless behavior like this. i hope others can learn from my mistakes.
3 months, 17 days ago
Nowadays, seems like people want us to be 100% fully aware of what other people do...
And we get it... but sometimes is not possible..., Sometimes we just like one specific image from someone we see on our home page and- we are not going to do a rabbit-hole search to see who is the artist before sharing/retweeting... especially because we all only want to enjoy our time on the internet, looking at stuff, sharing, having a nice time, etc
But sadly there's people (especially on Twitter) who is like "you can't make mistakes or we'll cancel you", acting like saints... as if they have never done the same mistakes before- or as if they background check every single account before they retweet/share
It's not your fault, it has never been your fault... you just were enjoying your time looking at art! And that's nothing to blame! And if they don't want to listen to you- then they are being stubborn and bubbled on their own rage
You do you Seel, enjoy what you like to enjoy and don't let people tell you what to do, same for your friends
Hopefully all of this gets on the past soon and they leave you alone
3 months, 17 days ago
unfortunately some of the accounts i had followed (especially on pixiv) had some incredibly disgusting content, that i was completely unaware of. after the callout i reviewed my old pixiv account and the stuff i saw really made me want to vomit....
i do not in any way blame someone for being concerned or disgusted that i was following that kind of stuff, because i felt the exact same way when i saw the stuff those artists posted. it made me feel sick.
i frequented a lot of conventions in japan a few years ago and it was just customary to following people that you meet. this was before i really knew the nature/content of many japanese artists works, so i was unware the things they posted. but again, the fault is all on my shoulders since i should have reviewed them later. it just never crossed my mind.
basically i just wanted to reiterate that the concerns are valid, and i was actually following a lot of really gross accounts, and the person who made the callout is not just doing this as a hit-piece or something.
3 months, 17 days ago
It’s unfortunate they never spoke to you at all before making such claims, regardless thank you for taking the time and to clear things up any possible anxieties that may have been caused. If it means anything thing in nearly 2 decades of following your work I’ve never gotten the kind of vibes this person is trying to imply from you
3 months, 17 days ago
while i do wish it had been brought to me, it is also not their responsibility. it was mine, and unfortunately something i have been extremely careless with in my time on social media.
and i do hope that it is incredibly clear that this kind of content is not something i support with even an iota of my being. it makes me physically sick to see this kind of content. and i feel disgusting with myself that i was even following that type of stuff accidentally.
3 months, 17 days ago
No definitely, it’s always been perfectly clear that this kind of stuff was never even something in orbit of your interests. I can’t imagine the discomfort of having people think otherwise and absolutely get why you’d want to stomp out any possibility of this impression
3 months, 17 days ago
sorry you have to deal with so much bs like this basically for not being Terminally Online, anyone that has followed you and knows your content should know better....
like, at what point does this level of policing get justified as harassment? hopefully this will help people back off :(
3 months, 17 days ago
as i've said to others it's fine that i am being held accountable to this. but i do wish i had known sooner so it did not seem like i was following and supporting this kind of content, especially for so long.
it's incredibly unfortunate but in the end the only person to blame here is myself. i should look at what accounts post before i follow them and that was just something i have never really done before.
3 months, 17 days ago
times have definitely changed and the Everwatchful eye of the puriteen leave no room for forgiveness
3 months, 17 days ago
Oh jeez. I'm so sorry this had to happen Seel. I know for a fact you're in no way okay with underage nsfw and that's incredibly unfortunate circumstances that led to this whole thing. I ofc will keep supporting you and all that! Nothing has changed on my view of you since you didn't nothing wrong on purpose! Hope this blows over ;v;
3 months, 17 days ago
it's fine to hold me accountable, i was following accounts i should not have been following. i followed a lot of people impulsively without reviewing them, and didn't do my due-diligence to vet those accounts.
i just hope it is clear that kind of content is completely disgusting and not something i support.
3 months, 17 days ago
Yeah ofc! This also makes me need to check who I'm following too. Cause I also tend to not pay attention to that.
3 months, 17 days ago
Could you message me the post? I’d like to form my own opinion if that’s okay!
3 months, 17 days ago
(i think someone may have DMd it to you: for clarify there was a reply with the link but i requested they send it through DMs because i did not want any residual hate or harassment to come from my post)
3 months, 17 days ago
It's good that you own up to the carelessness and mistakes. hopefully people understand and leave you alone about it.
3 months, 17 days ago
i definitely understand why people are uncomfortable, and i don't blame this person at all for making the callout. it was my fault for not being careful or even looking at who i was following.
3 months, 17 days ago