Stricter Punishments for Minors Lying About Age

Posted 6 months, 17 days ago (Edited 4 months, 20 days ago) by ChickieDee

Edit (1/26): I want to sincerely thank the admins for the updates to the rules they have done. It makes it clear that you all truly are listening to us, and I don't think that it can be overstated enough how much this will improve both minor's and adult's experiences while using TH. Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart;

Thank you!



Hello! This is the first time that I've posted something like this, but because of various recent events on this site, I feel like this isn't something that can't NOT be brought up anymore.

My suggestion is for stricter punishments for minors on this site that lie about their age in order to evade mature content blockers that are set on this website. I have had to report two users within a span of maybe two weeks for evading the mature blockers by lying about their ages, one very openly writing fetish material with other users and with their characters while interacting with adult users and other minors. In each of these situations, the ONLY punishment that these users have faced is their account age being changed to the appropriate age.

After talking with several other users who have faced similar experiences, I felt like it was needed to send a plea to the admins to enforce stricter punishments when dealing with such users. 


The Reasons Why This Needs to Be Enforced:

  1.  This behavior is ILLEGAL and puts both the users of the site AND the site itself at legal risk. Obviously the most important reason, but minors posting NSFW works or roleplaying NSFW situations with other people are considered distribution of child pornography and sexting with a minor respectively, at least in the United States. I'm not sure the exact laws concerning others countries, but considering the majority of the site in US-based, this is an EXTREME issue. It doesn't matter in the eyes of the law if the minor lied about their age; it's still illegal, and can end people up on the sexual offenders list, which can limit a person's ability to have custody of their children, where they are able to live, what sort of jobs they are able to have, etc. In short, this can effectively ruin someone's life, simply because a minor wanted to engage in NSFW works before they are legally allowed to.
  2. This behavior effectively NULLIFIES ANY AND ALL PROTECTIONS WE HAVE ON THE SITE. It nullifies the minor block, both the hard block and the soft block, it nullifies mature character locks, it nullifies mature threads. The Maturity blocks and filters only effect those who follow the rules. It proves pointless to have when minors are bypassing via faking their ages. It's the equivalent of having a rule system at Gamestop to check ID, but then kids flash their sketchy IDs and they get a pass to get GTAV. In short, it practically renders all of these functions USELESS, because the minors who actually are honest about their ages while signing up are the only ones effected in this way by this behavior, while the offending minors get off practically scott-free.
  3. To continue on the last point, by not further punishing these offending minors, you create a fear of other users and a fear on the site in general that this is not a safe space for adults. This has happened so frequently to the point where I legitimately go out of my way to AVOID many users who state they are minors on this website because of the actions of a few, where I have legitimately thought of removing any and all of my mature content from this site because I feel as though some minor will STILL be able to see it. There's no precedent to show that this won't be tolerated, so it will continue to happen.
  4. By enforcing stricter punishments, it sends a clear message to minors that this sort of behavior isn't okay in any regard, and that the TOS isn't a joke.
  5. Also, according to the TOS, this SHOULD already be a suspendable offense, as under the User Accounts section, it states that, and I quote " You agree to provide Toyhouse with accurate and complete information for registration."

Suggestion For Punishment:

Of course, this is also open for suggestions, but after talking with other users, this is the current suggestion for how to deal with this offense:

While punishment should ALWAYS be a case by case basis, the course of action when a minor is caught faking their age to bypass mature content filters should be a temporary ban of two weeks, plus the official changing of their age. Just to make it clear that this situation IS taken seriously, while still giving them the chance to acknowledge WHY what they did is wrong, and be able to grow from there

If the user is caught trying to circumvent the temporary ban OR the mature filters again by creating a new account, then a permanent IP-ban would be put in place.

Of course, this is still open to suggestions as I said, and I would love to hear feedback from other users.


In short, I feel for the safety of ALL users on this site, both adults AND minors alike, the situation of minors lying about their age to circumvent the mature content filters needs to be handled much more seriously than it has been. I love Toyhouse, and I love how broad a range of content creators we have on here, but when there is a legitimate fear to interacting with anyone or posting mature content because it isn't treated with the serious that it needs, it makes it very hard to feel safe on this site as it is. 

Thank you all for reading, I hope that I've at least made a little bit of sense (as I said, I'm not very good at doing this sort of thing), and if you have anything to add, please do so!

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Motherbeast

In the past month I've had to report three different individual minors on account of them having access to characters flagged as mature. While staff does help out in taking care of these cases as soon as they can via correcting the ages of the offenders, it's honestly aggravating to see that despite the site's rules saying one thing that these cases are handled an entirely different way.

I'm all for there being a much stricter punishment outside of "we've amended these ages". Banning children outright might be a touch extreme, but there has to be heavier measures considering that this is a constant problem. +1

Discordia

I'd +1 to this about 100 times. As someone who is very much not just an adult but also a PARENT of a child old enough to access the internet I can't agree with this more. I actually put a character I really liked (who I've since given away- to someone who made it clear they were not a minor) who had NSFW content on private as it's uncomfortable to know that there are minors with access to those images. For that matter, the fact that this site allows off-site linking, exchanges of private information and a marked RP search forum (all of these things which as an adult I like to have) has the potential to put minors at risk and adults who are unaware of the other users actual age range at risk.

I wish I could offer more in terms of a solution however I believe that all the above points are laid out well and provide a reasonable solution to those who are not following the rules. Hopefully if there is more of a punishment it will curb some of the rule-breaking that has been going on.

Waltz

+1, I've had to change all of my 18+ content to auth-only out of similar concerns.

Beed

+1
i honestly had to auth-only my adult content as well (to the best of my ability anyway), which is a shame cause i know how it feels to close that kinda stuff off to actual adults who might be able to take interest in it.
i hate to look a gift horse in the mouth since these sorts of """minor-proof""" enforcements weren't all up to snuff like they are now on the site, but...

i remember when people would lie about their age on y-gallery (yes, i know, it's the only example i have though lol), they would be blocked from the site until their real 18th birthday or in a span of ~6 years (or 5, i can't recall atm) from their ban date. but then again that was a strictly adult website, so...
i think 2 week ban, like OP suggested, or even a month as a first warning would be a good wake up call.

HeartlessSpade

Oh +1 for sure. Listen I can understand minors deal and handle mature content such as dark stories and gore plus they're at the age of being curious but this is a serious issue that needs ton of attention on and yeah as Motherbeast said, the staff deals with it and quick too but it's very laidback. Half if not all of the adults in this community are stressed out about minors viewing their mature stuff and the fact that even with the new filter update it's still not as effective as we hoped. It works for sure and I'm glad to have this feature but seeing that people are STILL catching minors faving their filter blocked characters and sneaking into mature threads is a little ridiculous.

Although Idk how "If the user is caught trying to circumvent the temporary ban OR the mature filters again by creating a new account, then a permanent IP-ban would be put in place." part would work? It'd be a bit tough to catch them I'd assume?

Fox2210

+1 I 100% agree with this. Personally I haven’t had any experience with this problem (knock on wood) but I know people that have, and it’s just a mess. I’m currently in the process of authorizing my adult content as well to prevent (to the best of my ability) anything like this from happing. 

Pyatiugolnik

the temporary ban sounds like a really solid idea for making the punishment actually have weight, and i support this

Historia

As a minor, I support this. Lying about your age isn't cool, and I think a stricter punishment is a good idea.

Therefore, +1.

Edit: I think I have to oppose on the "ID Proof" thing, because like what others have said, it's a tad too overkill. :\

necrolights

+1 , I'm a person heavily into NSFW art and culture surrounding it due to being a NSFW artist, so minors being able to see the intense NSFW stuff I draw by bypassing my ability to protect myself is incredibly gross and unsafe. I hate having to auth-only my NSFW works because I enjoy being able to share that work with other adults who enjoy it as well but minors lying makes it a must.

AlleycatIrony

+1 

i've also had to deal w/ a couple of minors on my NSFW threads like... don't post there lol

celestiials

I'm a minor myself, but anyways +1. Really, the minors who lie about their age endanger EVERYONE on the site and even the site itself.