Stricter Punishments for Minors Lying About Age

Posted 5 years, 4 months ago (Edited 5 years, 2 months ago) by ChickieDee

Edit (1/26): I want to sincerely thank the admins for the updates to the rules they have done. It makes it clear that you all truly are listening to us, and I don't think that it can be overstated enough how much this will improve both minor's and adult's experiences while using TH. Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart;

Thank you!



Hello! This is the first time that I've posted something like this, but because of various recent events on this site, I feel like this isn't something that can't NOT be brought up anymore.

My suggestion is for stricter punishments for minors on this site that lie about their age in order to evade mature content blockers that are set on this website. I have had to report two users within a span of maybe two weeks for evading the mature blockers by lying about their ages, one very openly writing fetish material with other users and with their characters while interacting with adult users and other minors. In each of these situations, the ONLY punishment that these users have faced is their account age being changed to the appropriate age.

After talking with several other users who have faced similar experiences, I felt like it was needed to send a plea to the admins to enforce stricter punishments when dealing with such users. 


The Reasons Why This Needs to Be Enforced:

  1.  This behavior is ILLEGAL and puts both the users of the site AND the site itself at legal risk. Obviously the most important reason, but minors posting NSFW works or roleplaying NSFW situations with other people are considered distribution of child pornography and sexting with a minor respectively, at least in the United States. I'm not sure the exact laws concerning others countries, but considering the majority of the site in US-based, this is an EXTREME issue. It doesn't matter in the eyes of the law if the minor lied about their age; it's still illegal, and can end people up on the sexual offenders list, which can limit a person's ability to have custody of their children, where they are able to live, what sort of jobs they are able to have, etc. In short, this can effectively ruin someone's life, simply because a minor wanted to engage in NSFW works before they are legally allowed to.
  2. This behavior effectively NULLIFIES ANY AND ALL PROTECTIONS WE HAVE ON THE SITE. It nullifies the minor block, both the hard block and the soft block, it nullifies mature character locks, it nullifies mature threads. The Maturity blocks and filters only effect those who follow the rules. It proves pointless to have when minors are bypassing via faking their ages. It's the equivalent of having a rule system at Gamestop to check ID, but then kids flash their sketchy IDs and they get a pass to get GTAV. In short, it practically renders all of these functions USELESS, because the minors who actually are honest about their ages while signing up are the only ones effected in this way by this behavior, while the offending minors get off practically scott-free.
  3. To continue on the last point, by not further punishing these offending minors, you create a fear of other users and a fear on the site in general that this is not a safe space for adults. This has happened so frequently to the point where I legitimately go out of my way to AVOID many users who state they are minors on this website because of the actions of a few, where I have legitimately thought of removing any and all of my mature content from this site because I feel as though some minor will STILL be able to see it. There's no precedent to show that this won't be tolerated, so it will continue to happen.
  4. By enforcing stricter punishments, it sends a clear message to minors that this sort of behavior isn't okay in any regard, and that the TOS isn't a joke.
  5. Also, according to the TOS, this SHOULD already be a suspendable offense, as under the User Accounts section, it states that, and I quote " You agree to provide Toyhouse with accurate and complete information for registration."

Suggestion For Punishment:

Of course, this is also open for suggestions, but after talking with other users, this is the current suggestion for how to deal with this offense:

While punishment should ALWAYS be a case by case basis, the course of action when a minor is caught faking their age to bypass mature content filters should be a temporary ban of two weeks, plus the official changing of their age. Just to make it clear that this situation IS taken seriously, while still giving them the chance to acknowledge WHY what they did is wrong, and be able to grow from there

If the user is caught trying to circumvent the temporary ban OR the mature filters again by creating a new account, then a permanent IP-ban would be put in place.

Of course, this is still open to suggestions as I said, and I would love to hear feedback from other users.


In short, I feel for the safety of ALL users on this site, both adults AND minors alike, the situation of minors lying about their age to circumvent the mature content filters needs to be handled much more seriously than it has been. I love Toyhouse, and I love how broad a range of content creators we have on here, but when there is a legitimate fear to interacting with anyone or posting mature content because it isn't treated with the serious that it needs, it makes it very hard to feel safe on this site as it is. 

Thank you all for reading, I hope that I've at least made a little bit of sense (as I said, I'm not very good at doing this sort of thing), and if you have anything to add, please do so!

ignore the IC post TH is being wei rd

FoofyFaun

Uffda, yes. Personally, I'm an adult and I still don't participate in any NSFW games, but I definitely know this is a problem for so many other majors on the site.


Though I AM curious. (Please don't bite my head off, I'm just asking a question.) How do you all feel about like, violence being exposed to younger audiences? I've always been wary of kids reading on some of that stuff in character bios, but then again, kids these days are also casually playing FNaF and watching horror movies. I dunno. I'm curious about people's opinions on this. I don't write sexual stuff about my characters, but some of my worlds do tend to get a bit bloody. I do put warnings about such things in my profile. 

honeywhine

+1!

M0DERND0C

I'm gonna agree with this SO hard right now. When I was younger, I never even told my age because it would "make child predators come for you" so I just never said it, but now I do put it out there simply because I say a LOT of mature things... As in jokes. I'm a teen, what do you expect? Anyway, I put my age out there cause I don't want adults to be afraid of how old I actually am. I mean, I'm more scared of the adults anyway.

While yes, I am a teen, I still wont put out NSFW. Suggestive stuff? Maybe. It depends, but mostly no. But for the full on thing?? Hell no. I'm more mature than that and I'm not getting adults in trouble. Or myself. (Not that I can even draw NSFW or write it properly, my style just doesn't work and I'd rather not write it.) I'm not getting myself or adults in trouble. I'm not an idiot. And yeah, it should probably be common sense, but some kids just... I guess don't think?

so in the end: +1 from this minor

(Also personally I'm fine with violence since quite a few of my characters are violent, but of course that's why we have character warnings I guess.)

on another note: minors can indeed change if they can see nudity within art. So does this mean they can see NSFW? yeah. it does. I tested it out once and just.. I have it off now. I wasn't going to put it on "Always show Nudity" because I don't want to see that. I had it on as far as "Show me nudity behind a tag" and you can still click on it and see it. Staff should really fix that, at least for minors.

hedgemaze

Has anyone tried sending this post to the staff in a support ticket to make sure they saw it?

mothgf

Not sure they'd even respond, honestly. They tend to just ignore certain tickets. :/

Kolo

i think a lot of admin silence is related to the fact that they don't actually check the suggestions forum a lot - sometimes i'll send in tickets about threads that have been active for months and the suggestion gets added a day later because the admins just haven't seen the thread/suggestion yet

so sending in a ticket would definitely be a good idea - it can't hurt to try to bring it to their attention

Nvenxyl

+1 To this. I feel extremely uncomfortable with the idea minors might view my NSFW stuff or try to interact with me in that manner. :'s I've been hesitant to post certain stuff because of this reason.

ChickieDee

Lotor

Yep. Someone submitted a ticket as soon as they were found out.

birthday

still in strong support of this lol. i just had a minor submit gift art to a character of mine marked as mature. i found out they were sixteen when i went to their profile to thank them for it and im just........... i sent a report but im so uncomfortable right now :c