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Fandom/Kins Rules Update Feedback Box

Posted 5 years, 1 month ago (Edited 5 years, 1 month ago) by admin

This will be left up for a few days so everyone can have a chance to get their thoughts in.

I'm currently reviewing a change in our fandom character ruleset in light of feedback regarding fandom characters. This was supposed to be a reply to the following thread, but I thought it'd be better to split it off into an official thread for better visibility: https://toyhou.se/~forums/14.suggestions-bugs/95652.-rules-edit-kin-characters-albums

To clarify, our current rules do not disallow upload of fan-characters as long as the canon permits derivative content, the characters are correctly credited, and all fanart is being used with permission. The reason being that up until now I haven't minded this platform being used for fandom RP.

I'm up for changing the site rules if fandom characters are a nuisance, but just wanted to verify since there seems to be some confusion: do people want both canon characters and derivative characters banned, or just canon characters? Where these are defined as the following:

Canon characters:
- EG: Re-uploading Naruto with no changes made to his design or history (usually includes GIFs and screenshots from the anime or copy pasted paragraphs from the character's wiki page)
Derivative characters:
- Any characters derivative from canon content - this includes:
  - Explicit redesigns (eg. Naruto as a dog or furry)
  - Characters that're described as an OC or sona but resemble the canon character in both personality and appearance or cosplay them 24/7
  - Personalised playable MCs (eg. customised Kamui/Robin, Frisk, Gudako/Gudao)
  - Personalised pet site/game characters (eg. FlightRising dragons, Neopet/Subeta/ChickenSmoothie pets)
  - Characters belonging to a canon species (eg. pokemon OCs, LOZ OCs)
  - Characters belonging to a canon setting (eg. BNHA/Hogwarts OCs that use the school uniform taken from canon designs)
- This is quite a wide range, so if you have specific thoughts on what you find unacceptable or acceptable for a derivative character that'd also help with gauging the community's opinion for the new ruleset.

I won't be making this a poll; please do post if you have feedback even if you just want to add a +1 to banning one or both of the options.

For people who would prefer not to post in thread but would still like some input, I've popped up a Google form where you can drop off your feedback: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeaQVmEpF1r8vAqEoHomYa7u_2cMcpoXWKBfhVDjpPWaNQwJg/viewform

Chyoatas

ppl seem to have diff definitions for inspiration so im gonna try this one out:

its literally naruto or pinkie pie: +1 get rid of it

its literally pinkie pie (her lineart etc, a recolor), but shes got blue hair, shes binkie bie: +1

its an mlp oc that loves to party and has curly hair, distinct from pinkie pie but clearly inspired/similar: -1, just fine

playable main character (frisk, the main character from hollow knight, i dont play a lot of video games, mmo mcs): -1 yea its good

its an oc, but it in a canon setting (like an mlp oc in ponyville, an undertale monster oc in the underground etc): -1

oc of a canon species (pikachu, mlp changelings): -1

fan ocs are usually so wildly unique its almost near impossible to call them ‘rip offs’, the very few that are rip offs are usually recolors of official characers, and that tends to be a small amount of people, and very young people at that. and main characters of video games, where you play as them, people make them their own. everyone has a different experience of the game, so the MC is different for everyone. people give MCs unique personalitys and even designs to designate them as ‘me’. ig i feel like thats allowed.

if anything, all customizable MMO characters MUST be allowed. its basically a doll design game, with a preset canon background. it falls under ‘oc in a canon setting’.

Agata

Canon Character / Kin galleries: +1 on banning.

Explicit redesigns: +1 on banning.

OC inspired but with the canon's personality, backstory and/or appearance: Case-by-case basis. I used to make furry versions of anime characters when I was younger, so I know why people do it, but if it's easily recognizable as the character with a personality, name, and backstory only altered just enough so it's not an explicit redesign (and there's no credit to inspiration) it shouldn't be allowed on here or should be required to be set as unlisted and/or private.

Personalized MCs: Case-by-case basis. Only being allowed if the MC comes from a game that has character creation. So a customized Kamui/Robin would be fine, but Frisk and Gudako/GudaoIf who have set appearances aren't. Skyrim, Souls games, Dragon Age, Mass effect, and Fallout playable characters should be allowed if obvious work has been put into the character to make them original. If someone has folders of characters that are nothing more than screenshots of their Skyrim character with no information/extra art/literature it should be banned.

Canon species: Once again, case-by-case. If there's a backstory or feature of the character that makes them unique and they've had work put into them to make them original by creator they should be allowed.

Canon setting: Allow.

Fvhn

First, a question: where would "faceclaims" fall in all this?

(Pics of actors, models, people from insta or tumblr, etc. that are used as a reference for what the character is supposed to look like)

Fox2210

I agree 100% with with what jammydodger said!

+1 to banning canon character/kin galleries, feral versions of canon characters, recolors (like literally Hatsune Miku but she has purple hair). Basically if it’s literally a canon character or blantently looks like one or is a feral version, ban it.

-1 to banning fan characters that are created to be in the same universe as a canon character, pokejinka, custom game characters (like fallout, dragon age ect), etc. Basically if it is a fan character created to exist in a canon universe, a custom game character, or a pokejinka that exists in its own universe allow it. Fan characters like that always have a lot of work and originality put into them.

Fvhn

Now, my thoughts: im 100% for banning canon and "canon as a dog"

Stuff like Hogwarts OCs should stay- after all, there is a mobile game that allows you to make and play your own HP character..

Pokemon is iffy... gijinkas and stuff are easy to claim as original, but when theyre still in their canon pokemon form, it would be nearly impossible to police original from stolen.

All in all I support banning canon charas and, in some cases, derivatives, but I think doing so might just create more of a headache for the people that have to click through all the reports and decide whats what.

Pepperly

Canon Characters should be banned, even if it's the OP's fanart. "My Version of" Canon Characters shouldn't be allowed as it's just fanfic territory. Canon characters but species swapped shouldn't be allowed either; it's still fanfic territory. Playable characters should not be allowed (IE the above: Frisk, Hollow Knight, Pokemon Trainers that have canon appearances: ex Red, Blue, Kris, etc).

Customizable characters should be allowed (IE MMO, Stardew, KHux, Pokemon trainers from X/Y and recent games where you can change the looks,) basically if they have no canon name and allow customization in-game so they don't look like every other MC that's played. Any characters who are nothing but multiple screencaps shouldn't be allowed in general. This should fall in similar line to Dreamselfies/etc with proper credit too.

Canon Species: case-by-case. No official art or fanart that wasn't created by/for you. Must have some changes in order to be valid, be it palette tweaks, accessories, unique markings. If canon images work for it, it probably doesn't need a gallery.

Canon characters or Canon Species should be allowed as non-characters, however, if mixed with original characters. If my FFXV comrades OC learned how to cook from Ignis and I have images of them together in the kitchen, or my original Pokemon Trainer with canon Pokemon designs eloped with Brock who also has canon Pokemon and I drew them on a whimsical romance to the Pokaribbean, that'd be fine in their gallery.

Canon settings are fine as long as they're not using screencaps from shows/games/etc or other official images/copyrights.

Sales of canon-derived characters should be banned, too. This includes Pokemon, Steven Universe, and the like. Selling IP that isn't your IP to begin with is kinda skeevy imho.

I saw faceclaims mentioned and I will say Absolutely Ban because those are images created by someone else. Movie/TV screencaps should be banned, any photography done by someone is copyright to either the photographer or the people the photographer hired. If you don't have explicit permission from everyone involved, don't use it. Also this with moodboards, since RedRarebit reminded me.

Excessively late edit:
Bad Faceclaims = "here's a bunch of images of Tom Cruise from his website, he is the face of my OC. I made a bunch of icons from photos of him for rp-ing on tumblr, here they are, all credited to me."
Passable Faceclaims = "Here's this link to an image of Tom Cruise, his facial features align with my idea of this OC and I'm using it temporarily until I can get a proper reference." or "If I had to pick an actor for my OC, it would be Tom Cruise, here's a link to Tom Cruise's website for some images."

Bad Moodboards, shouldn't be allowed = "Here's this moodboard I found on Pinterest." "Here's this moodboard made of images I cropped from Pinterest, I'm credited as the maker." "I made this moodboard, all images are copyright Google/Pinterest/Tumblr" "Here's this moodboard: Credits here: [line of short links, sources are professional or hobbiest photographers who do not have blatant permissions given for editing/redistribution]
Good Moodboards, should be allowed = "Here's this moodboard I (or someone here) made. Credits here: [line of short links going outward to sources, all of which are free stock images or otherwise CC type images]"

Again, I know in the rules it says "don't upload images you don't have permission to use" but faceclaims and moodboards are very common, especially the latter, and break the rules. Canon Characters and the like are similar. Just because an image is posted to the internet does not mean it's free for the taking. Just because it's rehosted somewhere, doesn't mean you can rehost it here. Pinterest is not a source. We Heart It is not a source. Google is not a source.

Filled out the google thing, not up for discussion anymore

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