PSA Concerning Lynn (TH) / Lynniee (DA)

Posted 1 year, 7 months ago (Edited 5 months, 4 days ago) by Vespisia

Hello. Due to the unrelenting nature of the person in question, I have decided to submit this PSA to inform the community of her behavior and actions to protect ourselves. I did not want to, but as she has continued attempting to harm people, I am submitting this to warn people to be cautious when dealing with her.

 

The issue at hand is that Lynniee (DA) / Lynn (TH) has attempted multiple times to profit in unscrupulous manners off of her characters. In fact, it appears in the past month, she has tried it several times, with one unfortunate success and two fortunate failures. Listed below are three cases with evidence compiled. The evidence is compiled in a fairly accurate manner from earliest to latest occurrence in these situations.

 

Case 1:
Lynn owns an adopt by Piku-chan21 named Shinkiro that she has tentatively put up for trade on occasion. During those times, she would throw out descriptions that it was worth around $500-600, but as people and I would eventually realize, that is not its true value. Recently, she attempted to sell Shinkiro for $1000. When people expressed their concerns that this was an inaccurate number, Lynn edited her post to ask for $500-600 instead. This was still concerning, as she would not give an actual statement as to the adopt’s true value. A day later, I was noted by an user concerned that her friend (who was discussing with Lynn via PM over Shinkiro) could possibly be getting scammed. After receiving information from her, this appeared to be the case, Lynn was trying to sell Shinkiro for $600 and sweetening the deal by offering a secondary character with him. A friend of mine investigated and we have estimated that Shinkiro’s true value is actually around $336 and it is unlikely that the second adopt would be anywhere near $200+ to make it up to $600. As such, it seems to be the case that Lynn was trying to scam the user, but thankfully it fell through and Lynn has at present time, decided to keep Shinkiro. Also of note is Piku's rule of reselling for half or less. Whether that means $336 or around $218 (half of $255 + price of comms) or lower, it is still nowhere near $400, let alone $1000.

Associated Evidence:
http://sta.sh/22642bbkqu2e?edit=1

Edit 4/22/16: Due to new information, I included a sub-folder Sta.sh with evidence of Lynn claiming the false pricing of Shinkiro to others, such a conversation with Cionkeiasta months ago. Will be updated as needed.

 

Case 2:
In another recent occurrence, Lynn attempted to sell a design by Kraikrai for $20 to Kavaro. The adopt came with the adopt file, and an artwork that was discovered to actually be free. Lynn apologized and reduced the price to $15, at which point Kavaro pointed out that Lynn had told her before it was $6 only. Lynn claimed she had never told Kavaro the price of the adopt, but there is evidence that she has in the past, and that it was indeed stated to be for $6. Contact with the artist Kraikrai by Kavaro revealed that it was indeed $15, but Lynn’s behavior in this instance has rendered the situation suspicious. Attempting to claim it was $20 for something worth $15 is inaccurate and when in the past, she had told Kavaro it was $6, even if it turned out to truly be $15, is quite the jump. Paired with her behavior concerning Shinkiro, it would make most sensible people cautious in their transactions with her.

Associated Evidence:
http://sta.sh/210rjcwjxyiq  (The discussion between Kavaro, the potential buyer, and Lynn, the seller.)
https://archive.is/tNO4V
https://archive.is/ceO9R
(Evidence of the adopt’s $6 price claim.)
(As you can see from the third link, she tried to profit from the fluffen *part of Case 3* which can only be gifted due to it being won in a free raffle.)

 

Case 3:
This is a case I discovered very recently. As can be seen in the sta.sh, Mubean was discovered to be attempting to resell the Fluffen. That Fluffen was won in a raffle by Lynn (Steamed-Bun did not link the TOS in the raffle unfortunately, but her TOS can be found easily enough with the rule very clearly stated), and can only be gifted, not traded nor sold due its nature of being freely won. Discussion with Mubean revealed that they did a sort of character trade - Mubean would send money to Lynn to help her purchase an adopt by Ocono in exchange for the Fluffen. This is essentially a sale, because it basically boiled down to “Buy this adopt for me in exchange for this one [Fluffen], and profit was gained, when the Fluffen can actually only be gifted to people or back to Steamed-Bun. Mubean attempted to resolve the matter with Lynn peacefully, asking for a refund, but as can be seen in the notes, she was steadfast in her denial that she had profited, forcing Mubean’s hand in going through with a chargeback.  
Associated Evidence:  

http://sta.sh/222dvxqqhm66?edit=1
http://steamed-bun.deviantart.com/art/CYOP-samurai-fluffen-raffle-WINNER-ANNOUNCED-512396048  The adopt in question. As can be seen, Lynn won it in a free raffle.
http://steamed-bun.deviantart.com/journal/Adoptable-Policies-426738592 

On top of these cases, Lynn has been known for expressing peculiar behavior in other matters, such as pricing of adopts, badgering people relentlessly for characters that are not up for sale, or for artists to lower their commission prices. This is not to say every character she sells has been overpriced nor every experience with her foul, but it certainly makes legitimate transactions with her hard to perform. Please take heed of the evidence compiled here and be cautious in interacting with her or avoid her entirely.

 

Thank you for your time, everyone, and have a good day.

 P.S. Also, thank you to everyone who helped me compile the evidence. Kudos to all of you, ahhh.

Lynn
Hello. I apologize for the delay in replying; the past week has been quite busy for me. I also wanted to carefully think over the situation and your words.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the situation and in public, for everyone to see. It is very important to communication. 

In the case of Shinkiro, while I can understand one wanting to recoup the costs of what they paid for the adopt, it is extremely dubious to give credit to your claims of him being worth $400, then $500, then $600, and eventually, even seemingly $1000. There's no logical way the art and adopt adds up to that. In the future, I suggest you keep a tab on your adopts' costs, including how much you paid for them and their art. If the art was free, then put a $0. If it had monetary value, then add a note somewhere in the file. That way, you can never be uncertain again of how much you really spent on the adopt. Also, the matter with Shinkiro was something that built up over several months, as people watched you steadily ask for a higher monetary value for him. That's why that particular situation casts so much black light on you. It wasn't a one-time thing, but a many-time thing, Lynn.

For the Kavaro case, fair enough. It's entirely possible it could be an honest mistake, but please understand that in the current environment where people felt wary of you, it just made the wariness grow more. But I understand and acknowledge that honest mistakes can indeed happen.

In the case of the Fluffen, that's a gray area. It seems Steamed-Bun may have added the new policy concerning raffle adopts once she was brought to attention what you were doing with the Fluffen. I cannot say for certain whether the rule existed or not before she grew aware of your Fluffen. But it is generally perceived in the adopts community that adopts gained for free should also be given away for free if no longer desired. The best thing to do is to obviously ask the artist of the design how they feel. That would have been a very good idea, Lynn, and would not have caused you this trouble and chargeback. It does appear however, that Steamed-Bun does not approve of people trading or selling adopts won from raffles. So in the end, this is really a moot case, for you are perceived in the wrong here. If you were unaware before, please be aware now in the future that it's generally looked down upon to profit from something you won for free, and if uncertain, to always ask the artist who created the design. That way, this situation does not occur and everyone, artist and owner, are on the same page and happy. 

I appreciate as well that you came here to post your side of the story. It's very important to get both sides of the story and have proper communication. It's wonderful that you want to prove yourself to the community and make amends, that's quite awesome. It's not too hard to do that, honestly. Make sure you are transparent! If you're reselling, state the price clearly, that of the adopts and any artworks it may come with. Keep tabs on how much you spent on everything. Consider handling all transactions in public, on threads, so people can see your comments. With the wariness surrounding you, people may grow suspicious if you insist on taking everything to PM, where transparency and honestly can be more easily hidden. Link people if possible to the deviations of the adopts. If you desire, I am willing to try and help you as a third party concerning your transactions. That's a grand idea you have. 

I wish you the best Lynn. 

Thank you a lot for the response. I know my mistakes, I am not hiding from them. I do admit to them but they were simply mistakes, nothing more. I'm doing what I can to make amends and recorrect all I can. I wont say much but I appreciate you being so kind.. I really wasn't Sure what sort of response I would get. I 100% will start the process of tabbing the individual art prices on my characters in their stash (maybe TH if I can ever get it set up). I'll publically allow anyone to view prices and negotiation (but links to character stash might still remain PM only since I dont have everything watermarked.) if I feel I need your judgement or if it might make someone else comfortable, I will PM you. Have a lovely night!

Lynn

If it helps, I personaly keep all my characters in my "art" folder, where i also keep all my drawings and such. Each character has their own folder, and in there all their art and also a notepad file that i document where the design came from, the date aquired, the price, extra notes, a link to the artist TOS if there is one, and finally a commission log so i can add in any money that i spend! It's super easy and really quick to do if you make that file immidately after you aquire an adopt so the information is fresh in your mind :) If you wanna see my set up here's a screenshot!

I uploaded this to my st.ash as well, if you would like to take a closer look! I also added my invoice template there as well. Anyone reading this may feel free to copy and use that template for themselves, and also my folder organization too (if you dont already do it lmao)! I think organization is super important when trading adopts and it's greatly appreciated by all parties when you do have to trade/resell something :) You just gotta make sure you keep your files up to date!!

Here's the link to the sta.sh! http://sta.sh/26ds0htpyrq?edit=1

Bumping to help, also added this to my dA.

Everyone shall take care of scammers.

xFroggiii If you'll read back on the most recent posts in this thread a bit you'll see that the situation has de-escalated a bit through successful communication with the party in question, so there's no need to continue to boost this.

Bumpo bumpo