hihi!! I actually have a screenshoot of a minor saying they can see it!! This was on the original thread before it was removed. I should have mentioned in my original post, sorry.
Who: KiruSpookz
What: They are a 14 year old in possession of NSFW.
Proofs:
- Their "content warning" page says they dont want anyone under 13 contacting them and that they have NSFW - https://ibb.co/mFszQjM
- Their instagram says 14. If you look at their page, it's clear it has their OCs / art, it lines up with toyhouse + the same username - https://ibb.co/zXTwyKJ
------- (plus its listed on their carrd - https://kiruspookz.carrd.co/ )
- They have NSFW art of their OC that they drew themselves. (screencap link is censored, but pls dont click if you're under 18 regardless) - https://ibb.co/wKf1WSW
I have full page screencaps if needed in case they delete it, but for now I recommend everyone steer clear of this user.
Please note: I don't want to be involved in PSAs or drama, especially against a minor. This is merely a warning for the community as of now, since KiruSpookz is a very active minor in threads around toyhouse; and we basically only have one single admin on the site.
Anything outside of directly posting this PSA will NOT be managed or updated, and this is posted on my throwaway account for that exact reason. If you know of their other social medias or allegations (with proof) against this user, comment them below; But I will not be actively searching for anything more incriminating.
A user named Dracurin also mentioned that the NSFW itself isn't flagged properly when I mentioned this on the general psa thread, so other minors may be able to see it. I'm not sure if this is true or not. I've reported this user and I am awaiting a response, but I have little hope it'll be answered in a timely fashion without a thread here in the service reviews.
updates from this point will be put on the bottom of the thread!
update1:
KiruSpookz's trade / alt account is D0GF4NGZ --
proof:
a user (who shall remain anonymous) messaged me to update this thread immediately with some concerning information regarding the NSFW drawings that were "deleted".
One of the characters who was in the NSFW art, Joji, has two images listed on the trade account.
However, when you look at the actual character's profile, only one images comes up. This means one of the images is private.
By my memory, when looking at the character, Joji only had his animal ref and the NSFW art piece. It was a shared gallery image with Michael. I think I am right, because this can DOUBLY be confirmed when you look at Michael's gallery compared to the images listed:
This gallery listing has 8 images listed in the gallery. Yet when I go to explore the gallery itself, there are 7 actual images in there, not 8.
Notice: I edited the image above to show all the images for space / crunching the thread, combining the total art pieces. I have full page screencaps of both pages individually if people are suspicious of my intentions, to prove there are only 7 images.
This means Kiru possibly never deleted the art. They could have hidden it from the public where it's still attached to a character they're trying to trade. This is a massive risk for anyone who's thinking about trading with this user, and could get you in a LOT of legal trouble if you trade with them. Please be careful.
This PROBABLY is a bug, but it's better safe to list this as a precaution to be safe. One of the affected characters IS being traded, and it's known to have NSFW attached to it, so at the very least this is good information to note if that sort of thing makes you uncomfortable.
in the caption of their NSFW drawing, it says anatomy test-
the are a minor drawing literal p*rn, that is not an anatomy test.
EldritchEclectic - Yes, I publicly mentioned it on a forum of theirs in the service reviews which they deleted afterwards, and never addressed. People here who commented can verify that I indeed brought it to their attention.
Plus, we do not owe this person who has put the entire site and adults on it at risk for legal actions against us -- we don't owe them anything. We don't owe them kindness, a chance at an explanation, etc. They broke site TOS, endangered other minors and adults alike on the site, and risked the site's actual integrity. I only put the PSA up after they deleted the forum, didn't take down the art, I posted about it on the general psa thread and other adults urged me to make a PSA, and overall I have NOT blocked Kiru once. I tagged Kiru here for a reason with no block.
Kiru has not once addressed me, messaged me, commented to explain, and left the art up for days (despite logging on actively every few hours) after the PSA was posted until it gained traction. The art was removed, but the situation is NOT resolved. I don't have documentation of my comment on the thread, but Dracurine posted the exact responses to my comment on their thread before it was deleted. Removal doesn't immediately mean the minor gets off scotch free. If that's all it took, minors wouldn't learn. They'd just dirty delete things when they get caught and upload it privately. I wouldn't have posted a PSA if we didn't have one single moderator who's too swamped to answer reports without several months delay. I didnt wan't anyone else seeing / interacting with a user who's a danger until the single mod dealt with it.
A user also DM'd me to talk about some in-depth and very concerning journals of Kiru's but I felt it was inappropriate to directly post on the PSA without investigation and discussing directly with Kiru -- we are investigating deeper, and I ask for your patience as we try to resolve this internally to make sure something more sinister and serious isn't going on. I am not a confrontational person anymore, and I rather not spend mental energy I don't have with trying to educate a minor who knows by now that they cant be looking at or drawing NSFW.
Update: Also, Kiru is Canadian, and other bulletins they have explain that they're British-Canadian ? I don't think the French excuse is really valid here. Some places say French, others say British, and overall its very confusing -- and I believe they are fluent enough in English to not have a language or cultural barrier that massively prohibits them from accepting accountability.
EldritchEclectic Sorry to butt in on this, but just about this point you made:
Also with this being a single image it likely would have simply been removed by the mod with a warning or strike. I understand you are wanting to do the right thing but educating that minor IS part of the process. If you truly want to help the admin out you need to keep that in mind and act accordingly.
Any minor in possession of NSFW will have their account locked and banned (probably until they turn 18 as in most cases I've seen as TH rules in favor of US laws) as per TOS that they have to agree to upon signing up, as they've lied about their age signing up and/or exploiting bugs against the contract they've formed with the site itself. Not any of the OPs fault that the user in question did not take the time to read through the rules and services as you should with any site or agreement you sign up for.
Beyond this I have no eggs in this race, just thought to give you the heads up about this ruling.
EldritchEclectic
About the drama blog it still states things like "if you have any info with proof surrounding someone in specific we’re covering " and in the submit area it seems to imply it's more about people then features. https://sta.sh/02f6b1l3j0qw
So I'm not sure if it's just about the toyhouse features and staff maybe??? or if Kiru misunderstood what there friends were doing and it's about both features and people, Or maybe the blog itself is poorly worded.
Other then that though I get where your coming from it could be seen as harsh but it's only a beware and not a psa. Since this is a beware rather then a psa I don't think it's that bad and it can help so other people don't accidently see the nsfw that a minor uploaded that was also unmark.
EldritchEclectic - A few of your statements I feel like need to be addressed, because while I respect your opinion, I see it differently.
"Also with this being a single image it likely would have simply been removed by the mod with a warning or strike. If you truly want to help the admin out you need to keep that in mind and act accordingly."
1. It would take the mod MONTHS to remove this minor. I reported the image a day before the PSA went up. It's been unanswered since then. I have flagged another user for having unflagged NSFW in their icon (of genitalia) and it's gone unread for 4 months. The singular mod is simply unavailable to handle the influx of reports on a site with over a MILLION thread submissions, OC submissions, thousands upon thousands of users, etc. Especially considering they're focusing alone on upgrading the site's server.
2. Helping the mod out in this instance is crucial by addressing this issue as a beware publicly to avoid other users mass-reporting / accidentally stumbling upon the profile and risking adults and minors alike from legal action, especially the CREATOR of toyhouse who's left alone on here as the singular mod.
3. I have acted accordingly. Nowhere does the TOS say I HAVE to directly notify and try to work it out peacefully with someone who's blatantly breaking a serious law. The way I see it, Kiru deleted the thread without addressing me as an act to show they were NOT willing to compromise or discuss it, and I rather not have people trying to claim I was pushing the minor into arguing / defending themselves in DM. You say that I should have messaged them, but others will have the exact opposite opinion and think it's inappropriate for me to address them. I chose the safe option. I gave them one chance to publicly address it. They didn't take it. If they didn't want a SOFT beware post made on them, they shouldn't have broken the law AND site TOS that they definitely know to adhere to by now in the first place. I don't need to push minors in DM and act like their parent or hold their hand when they're old enough to know this behavior isn't acceptable.
"I get wanting to help and address issues in the community but you cannot skip certain steps in addressing it and pick which ones you'd prefer to adhere to."
-- I never skipped any steps. I addressed Kiru. They deleted the thread and kept the NSFW art up for DAYS. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
"I specifically commented on this particular thread dealing with this issue because I know for a fact Kiru replies to DMs. You should have asked the other user who had messaged you to contact them or do so yourself rather than posting that no one owes the minor anything. It looks extremely unprofessional and immature."
-- I have. I'm working with the user who mentioned it literally as we speak to discuss it with Kiru privately, and I mentioned it here because . I don't wish to personally interact with Kiru because I am an adult at 22 years of age and have no place discussing things like this with a 14 yr old minor about NSFW or life topics. It's not my place. I'm not their parent, and even discussing things like this with them, even if the intentions are PURE, can wind up with legal actions against ME. I'm not taking that risk by trying to tiptoe around a minor's feelings who doesn't respect toyhouse or the other's on its feelings by doing something like this. That's my last stance.
The reason I mentioned the issues surrounding their life as an individual is because of this statement:
"The thread should be updated on the response and either marked as resolved or stay as is to show this is a problematic case that may need more addressing in the future. The reply also needs to be documented to show that whoever talks to Kiru isn't just making up how they answered back."
I'm WORKING on updates, and a resolution, and trying to figure things out to see if this PSA needs more info on it regarding something going on. You know what I'm talking about if you've discussed w/ the same user. There could be multiple users involved in this callout, and it may turn into a situation where Kiru is in need of help. I'll edit the reply to make sure I have my facts straight before updating, but PLEASE do NOT push me for updates if you're not wanting me to actually post them unfiltered.
This started as a simple beware post that I mentioned in the thread I don't really want to delve too deeply into because bewares / PSAs always end up stirring up drama regardless of whether the user is wrong. It started as a beware, and other users (not just one) have approached me with more in depth information that requires time to sort through and properly professionally update.