[UPDATE 2/11/2022] PSA on Komugitsune/DemonMadness

Posted 3 years, 6 days ago (Edited 2 years, 2 months ago) by huathorne
UPDATE 2/11/2022: They are also found under the name demonmadness on Twitter, Esty, and a newer account on Twitch

UPDATE 1/9/2022: Aug/Komugitsune has returned under the name demonmadness (Commission Site, Patreon, & Teepublic), crimsonzroses (Twitch), and corgiathlon (Instagram). These are provided to aid in pursuing owed items and as a further record to continue to hold Aug accountable for his actions. Do not harass him as that would help no one.

UPDATE REGARDING 1. Gumroad refunds. 2. Aug engaging in upselling and potential scamming. Updates added at the bottom!

This is a letter to the members of Northern Ruins who have been thrown headfirst into sudden chaos. This is for the members who so recently purchased slots and items, for the members who were awaiting Valentines batch adopts, for the Guest Artists left without answers and some with half finished adopts, and even the unwitting Moderators who have since discussed things with all parties involved and have since made their own decisions in regards to things.

This is here in case the original letter is taken down from Northern Ruins.

Before delving into the details, keep several things in mind.

This all happened because two staff members, Min and Yolk, quit after not being allowed to discuss the idea of compensation for hundreds of hours of work in just the past few months. We just quit after leaving behind a notice of resignation with grievances in only the mod server. The goal was never to hurt Northern Ruins because despite all this, we still dearly loved it and, above all, its community. Northern Ruins contained so many friends that we would not want to hurt just because we were quitting. The only one who had the power to delete the servers was Aug despite what he has been relaying to people. And keep in mind, he has yet to release a comprehensive statement just explaining things to the people caught in the crossfire of his decisions.

Also note, Aug has not made any attempt to directly contact Min nor Yolk after quitting. Min has not been available for contact since the stress of the situation has landed them in the ER so lack of contact with Min might be excusable. However, Yolk has always been open to civil conversation and has told such to each and every messenger Aug has sent his way. Almost every messenger seemed to also think that Min and Yolk were at some fault for the servers being taken down or for the supposed destruction of Northern Ruins. As said previously, we merely quit because of lack of compensation. The only thing that was directly changed was that Min repossessed unpaid decorative code that they wrote and are the rightful owner of. Min left a lot of the code they themselves paid for along with other things on the site despite everything to make sure the site stayed perfectly functional with the database intact.

All destructive actions are by Aug’s hand only.

Plus, it was by his suggestion Yolk quit initially and Min followed soon after.

While Aug will repeatedly say he would have given compensation if he had known, he was the one who did not even want to discuss it in the first place. That is an undeniable fact. The issue is not a matter of money but rather a matter of fairness, transparency, and attitude. Aug does not entertain the idea of compensation in a transparent manner but instead opts to try to push it off till later. Compensation desired wasn’t even necessarily monetary but since he did not even want to discuss it, he would not have known. Min, who spent hundreds of dollars out of pocket, deserves monetary compensation especially considering their personal situation that Aug is completely aware of. Yolk did not want monetary compensation but rather wanted pets, items, and/or slots that were higher than common. But, again, Aug did not want to discuss compensation and therefore would not have known by his own choice. Note, previous staff-wide compensation was a single common slot. The only scaled compensation was a single Aspirith slot for Min. Compensation was not repeated nor otherwise scaled per work time. ONLY slots for compensation is a slap in the face since it requires work to truly get the benefit. Those bogged down by work by Northern Ruins or otherwise or even personal life would not really get any benefit from the slots at all. He also claims that the privilege to do adopts when he chooses to do them is compensation ignoring the fact that creating the adopts in itself is work. The price of an adopt pays for the adopt’s creation. It does not pay for the cost of the assets done. It does not pay for the cost of the site. It does not pay for the time spent on work for Northern Ruins outside of the adopt.

But, these words are nothing without the evidence to back them up. Aug, we know you keep telling people your version of the truth. So, we will tell our truth with the evidence to back it up.

If you wish to know the truth behind the issue at hand, this link will take you there.

If any questions come up, feel free to comment on the linked sheet. Since some of the images may be small, it is recommended to view it in presentation format. Imgur links will be added later to ease reading. For the sake of not overwhelming people, please do not DM any party involved! Additionally, please do not harass Aug. Even if we have issues with him, we do not want to cause him unneeded trouble in that regard. To be transparent, this letter and the attached compilation of evidence have been created and curated by Yolk. In order to ease the reading process, I have been referring to myself in third person. Min has had a limited amount of input regarding this because they have been hospitalized and are still ongoing treatment. Further details regarding their personal health will not be given at this time to respect their privacy.

Thank you for your time in reading this.

〔Edit 9-May-2021〕

Steve from Gumroad finally learns to read.

"If you haven't gotten your refund yet, you purchased through Gumroad, and you are being ghosted or dismissed by Komugitsune, please email [email protected] directly to get your refunds. They will process the refunds for you."

Gumroad is now giving out refunds!

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! ! ! ONGOING BREAKING OF TOS AND POTENTIAL SCAMMING ! ! !

Aug is currently upselling several designs despite not adding to their value via commissioned work or through any other valid means.

Upselling Eeray

Upselling Diab

NotDamien's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

SnorkMaiden's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Traded Design

Heelies's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Gifted Design

If you wish to keep track of what he is attempting to sell and to see if anything might have inflated sell values, the link to his trade/sell thread is below. If you find something that may have inflated value, please report it and make a comment on his thread about it so more people can know. If you wish to, you can also comment here and I will add it to the list here.

Komugitsune's Trade/Sale Thread

EDIT: Image Transcription of Slides

PDF Version of Slide (Note: this will not be updated as fast but will be updated alongside the original.)

〔Edit 3-May-2021〕:

I'm adding this edit here since Aug decided, in a relatively confusing move, to lie blatantly on his site about the situation. Considering that, the following links will be added for ease of access to emphasize what he has had a direct hand in. This has gone beyond an issue concerning former staff since it has deeply affected many people unrelated to the original grievances I wrote. I sincerely hope this will help open more eyes to the issue.

I will preface with two important links.

Evidence submission form

This form is to collect formal evidence against komugitsune (Aug). As of right now, we are prioritizing gathering evidence of financial malpractice in order to strengthen cases against him in PayPal and Gumroad. However, if you have evidence of him doing any unsavory acts, we welcome that as well.

Please share this twitter link on the issue.

I have been informed that the issue is not well known outside of TH so it would be wonderful if you can spread the word outside.

Proof that Aug threatened Min and I with police action as well as that Red and Damien did not lie about it.

Please note for posterity that this was done in a midst of a spike in anti-Asian crime. Both Min and I are Asian. Threats of police, in itself, is not a joke. But threatening it in this climate is horrendous especially considering he knows both of our addresses as well as the addresses of many others.

Min's statements against Aug's allegations

Persistent lack of communication

I would like to note that Aug has still never attempted to directly contact me and has blocked me everywhere instead.

Cutting off communication avenues

It has been documented that Rook has been aiding with refunds as well as trying to be an avenue of communication between Aug and everyone else since he refuses to communicate directly. Since they have been cut off, Aug has effectively decided he would rather not face the allegations against him. Aug seems to have been using them as a scapegoat for failed refunds.

Proof of selling traced Picrew design

He sold this to me when we were still friends and he had the picrew image hidden.

More traced art

Chargeback issues as well as Aug's indecision regarding NR

I don't know why Aug doesn't seem to be settled on what will happen to NR. But I will note his waffling on it seems to correlate with his waffling on refunds.

Proof Aug said despeciesing applies to Official designs

Aug lying about refund issues

I, and others, have experienced this. Aug has repeatedly been trying to lie on paypal about "nobody" trying to communicate with him. He's blocked most people seeking refunds so the only avenue of communication is PayPal where he, again, seems adamant on lying.

Aug blocking those requesting refunds

It should be noted this wasn't a chargeback but a formal request for a refund. Basically, chargebacks seem to be the only valid avenue at this point.

Kuruna

Hello again, I was just informed of this by someone who wishes to remain anonymous. Campfire Magic Tricks, the design for the Ordi DTA raffle, was traced from the artist @/asahi_nini (https://twitter.com/asahi_nini) on Twitter. Evidence of this is posted within the spoiler to avoid stretching the page.

Edit: for the sake of transparency, here's the link to the original art. It was posted June 2017, while the DTA was made in 2019: https://twitter.com/asahi_nini/status/872466274890072066?s=19

hinatot

hope you don't mind, but after seeing Snorkmaiden's latest post, i was having some trouble seeing things so i made a few comparisons myself. i have trouble seeing stuff like that when it's just transparent overlays, so i popped things into my own art program to take a closer look, then made a few gifs to hopefully help any others having trouble seeing it

first of all, the only manipulation i did was flipping and resizing to line the pieces up. they do not match 1:1, but that doesn't mean there's no tracing. you can trace certain areas and not others, you can trace a sketch and then edit it so it looks more original, or you can take heavy inspiration (which seems to be the main case here imo ). all of these i think should require credit, at the very least, and in the case of a public piece that's used to basically drum up interest for something making aug money, it should not have been done at all

i looked at 3 main areas


the feet:

the pose is obviously very similar, but what's more damning to me is the details. the heel shape is the same, down to the two protruding gold parts from the outline. the small bow with the gold diamond above it is the same. the shape of the curved golden part that cups the heel is the same. colors in general are also similar, if obviously tweaked. it doesn't look like 1:1 tracing to me, but what it does look like is heavy inspiration in both pose and design

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the thighs:

this is another case of what looks like heavy inspiration to me. again, you can see a very similar pose and angle. the top of the thigh highs, however, is my focus. i lined them up there to show better.

once again, you can see the very very strong similarities in color and shape. the swirling gold trim that goes along the top before dipping down into the thigh high, with a red bow tied partway down the middle. it doesn't look traced but, again, there is obvious inspiration

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the heads:

this is an area that i think might show evidence of direct tracing. slightly different gif to show better what i mean, hopefully. it looks to me like the chin/jaw area may be traced. but even aside from that, and the general pose similarities, there are the indisputable design similarities. the shape of the ears and the puff in them and the shape of the bangs being the main ones to me

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some might argue that because exact lines don't line up, it's not tracing. but i hope that here i've showed that even if literal 1:1 line tracing was not used, inspiration at least was- inspiration that was not disclosed and presumably was done without permission of the other artist. in addition, i only looked at three areas, when i think similar issues are present in even more parts. i just picked 3 for the sake of simplicity

Kuruna

hinatot thank you for the added images! I struggle a bit with overlays as well. Even if it's not 100% traced, I think it's safe to say it's at minimum heavily referenced.

Additionally: Soon after posting that, I was messaged with evidence of Aug tracing / heavily referencing two art pieces he sold as prints by an anonymous source. TW for nudity in one of these images. I will provide more information on these if I am able to! I am currently unable to provide overlays for these as well, so I apologize in advance.

Edit: Editted cuz I messed up the formatting!

Edit: this is some information I received regarding this image. While it's fine to use as a base, it typically is not allowed to be used for commercial work or uncredited. Considering this was art Aug made prints of, those rules were broken. If anyone is able to translate this information further please lmk, original is posted here: https://m.blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=smilethwjd&logNo=220833088199&proxyReferer=https:%2F%2Fm.search.naver.com%2Fsearch.naver%3Fie%3Dutf8%26query%3D%25ED%258A%25B8%25EB%25A0%2588%25EC%259D%25B4%25EC%258B%25B1%2520%25EC%259E%2590%25EB%25A3%258C%26where%3Dm_image (TW for nsfw on page) Original sketch by @/hel1kone (I know that images like this are sometimes provided as references images for other artists to use, but I currently do not know if that is the case for this image. Either way, I find it concerning that no credit was given for its usage, especially regarding a drawing sold as a print.)

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Aug's art:
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Original art by @Ikkuyo (TW for nudity)
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Aug's art:
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617th

Snorkmaiden I don't know who you got the second comparison from, but I was the one that originally reported that to Ikkuyo-- the original DA note should have the overlay I did. 

Aug also has a lot of traced works hidden. However, since they were private and never posted anywhere I figured it was a live and let live situation. With these sold pieces coming forward, I'm willing to scrounge up the comparisons I've done later... I'm a bit tired right now, but I'll get to it!!

Kuruna

617th if you can find it I'll add it to my original comment! Thank you for informing me as well, I'm 😭 a  bit shocked to be discovering this, truthfully!

Nicaea

Yolk and Min, I am so so sorry to you both that you've had to go through this. It's heartbreaking to know that this behavior has continued on beyond his time moderating other closed species. 

I've had extremely nasty experiences with him, in that he chose to twist the truth & slander multiple people (including me) openly after they didn't back him up during a personal fallout over other group work that he was unable to complete (and I will leave it at that). After telling him that these accusations hurt me in one comment, he slapped me on the blacklist for.... harassment and stalking(??) and tried to tell others the same. I'm just... god, my heart breaks for you guys knowing that you've had to go through this as well.

For those that suggest he is not accountable for the harm he's caused others because he is disabled is untrue, and frankly cruel to those of us that are disabled and also victims of his behavior. His disability has nothing to do with the abuse he's inflicted on others & the lies he continues to tell to cover himself. I say this as someone who is also disabled. And this is all I will say on the matter. PLEASE do not continue to lump all disabled people in with this abusive behavior. 

His threats of legal action/police are a bit of a staple by now, but STILL beyond scary... I sincerely hope that you're able to get out of this situation as quickly and smoothly as possible. ;;

(Edit... part two: I also believe a lot of his con prints have been traced, however I unfortunately don't have solid proof of that anymore, nor do I know the artists they came from! ;;)

mitheal

Snorkmaiden hinatot Hi,

i was just personally informed of this as I am the owner of this design (his profile is here, I'm not afraid of being open about it https://toyhou.se/4800109.yori)

Personally, I'm in shock about this but all I can do at this point now is laugh after finding out about this as well. I did not expect or see Aug to be revealed as a tracer as well, but it may have just been hidden well until now.

That being said I'm at a loss as to what to do with him now haha. I had contacted Aug earlier today prior to finding this out if it was possible to void him even if he's an official, but now I'm just at a loss. I do not want pity or anything, but I would appreciate advice, which you are free to personally message me for to not take away from this thread. Ty!

Kuruna

Back with...more tracing allegations. I will preface this by saying that while this art was traced, it was posted to his private account rather than his public one. However the fact that he apparently did this often + sold or traded at least one design that was traced from a picrew (please take this with a grain of salt as the design in question appears to have been hidden and can't be double checked) makes me a bit concerned, so I'm posting it regardless. TW for knives in this one (no blood or anything, just knives)

The picrew: https://picrew.me/image_maker/29841
This image is a recreation of the Aug's sketch in the Picrew.
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Aug's art:
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grimberriz

Snorkmaiden Sorry to bother you, I'm not defending Aug's actions but I wanna explain the context of hel1kone but take my words with a grain of salt. If anyone who speaks korean can help us out that would be great.

Original

트레이싱자료 is like something called tracing data (?). Pretty much think of it as Deviantart's base systems. From what I understand, you can use these but don't remove the ID or use them commercially. 

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Gucumatz

Dracurine That art was sold as a print, is the thing, so if it was no commercial use he broke that.

Kuruna

Dracurine thank you for the information! I had assumed that that may be the case, but there's still an issue of Aug not crediting the base maker and then using the finished art to sell prints. Regardless, I'll add this information to my original comment in a few!

grimberriz

Gucumatz Correct. I didn't know he made it for posters/merch off of that. But yes, he broke the rules because they mention no commercial use.

Snorkmaiden Yeah, I heavily agree. I just wanted to add the context to that one.

Kuruna

Dracurine thank you for the context and for finding where the image was posted as well!

Fablebutt

I have been very quiet during all of this due to health reasons and school, so I haven't been able to check things as much.  I've been on a hiatus and haven't been as active in any communities online.  However, I can corroborate a lot of what is being said by the other mods about the workload.

Before I got sick, I was given a position as something like a... mod manager?  Task manager?  Type deal?  The previous Halloween event had been hell to run because we were given some basic ideas and a few deadlines but little to no input past that.  When we asked questions or for clarification, we were not given much to work with.  So, at that time, my self and a few of the other mods stepped up to ensure it got done.  This was before the mod hour tracking list was created and I know that, personally, I was putting at least 40+ hours a week into this event with writing, keeping things up to date, and making sure that certain tasks got done by others on time.  My health started to fail and I had to take a step back and have been very sporadic in activity since then.

Most of that event was pulled out of the butts of the mods, last minute, as we had almost no guidance.  I was in the DMs of other mods daily to make sure things looked right as when I would ask Aug, or any of us would ask, we would get very vague answers that were neither positive or negative.  While not the worst thing here to have dealt with after reading the other things going down, I wanted to at least mention it.

There were a few things I witnessed in the server dealing with another mod who cruel comments would be made about which made me uncomfortable.  However, that isn't my business to drag the details out of here and I was too much of a chicken to mention it at the time in person.  It seems disingenuous of me to try and bring it up now as more than that.

At the end of the day, I think that Aug needs to step back and take a good, long look at himself and how he treats people.  My experiences are nothing compared to many of the things that have been mentioned in this thread.  I thought of Aug as a friend and told him some very personal things about myself and what I've been through.

And Aug, if you read this, I think that if you make the proper efforts to change you can.  I think if instead of digging your heels in and insisting that everyone here, in this board, are mean or cruel or abusive or out to get you, that you can look at how your actions have hurt them maybe even as much as you've perceived them to hurt you.  Take this as a chance for change instead of looking at it like a social death sentence.