[UPDATE 2/11/2022] PSA on Komugitsune/DemonMadness

Posted 3 years, 10 days ago (Edited 2 years, 2 months ago) by huathorne
UPDATE 2/11/2022: They are also found under the name demonmadness on Twitter, Esty, and a newer account on Twitch

UPDATE 1/9/2022: Aug/Komugitsune has returned under the name demonmadness (Commission Site, Patreon, & Teepublic), crimsonzroses (Twitch), and corgiathlon (Instagram). These are provided to aid in pursuing owed items and as a further record to continue to hold Aug accountable for his actions. Do not harass him as that would help no one.

UPDATE REGARDING 1. Gumroad refunds. 2. Aug engaging in upselling and potential scamming. Updates added at the bottom!

This is a letter to the members of Northern Ruins who have been thrown headfirst into sudden chaos. This is for the members who so recently purchased slots and items, for the members who were awaiting Valentines batch adopts, for the Guest Artists left without answers and some with half finished adopts, and even the unwitting Moderators who have since discussed things with all parties involved and have since made their own decisions in regards to things.

This is here in case the original letter is taken down from Northern Ruins.

Before delving into the details, keep several things in mind.

This all happened because two staff members, Min and Yolk, quit after not being allowed to discuss the idea of compensation for hundreds of hours of work in just the past few months. We just quit after leaving behind a notice of resignation with grievances in only the mod server. The goal was never to hurt Northern Ruins because despite all this, we still dearly loved it and, above all, its community. Northern Ruins contained so many friends that we would not want to hurt just because we were quitting. The only one who had the power to delete the servers was Aug despite what he has been relaying to people. And keep in mind, he has yet to release a comprehensive statement just explaining things to the people caught in the crossfire of his decisions.

Also note, Aug has not made any attempt to directly contact Min nor Yolk after quitting. Min has not been available for contact since the stress of the situation has landed them in the ER so lack of contact with Min might be excusable. However, Yolk has always been open to civil conversation and has told such to each and every messenger Aug has sent his way. Almost every messenger seemed to also think that Min and Yolk were at some fault for the servers being taken down or for the supposed destruction of Northern Ruins. As said previously, we merely quit because of lack of compensation. The only thing that was directly changed was that Min repossessed unpaid decorative code that they wrote and are the rightful owner of. Min left a lot of the code they themselves paid for along with other things on the site despite everything to make sure the site stayed perfectly functional with the database intact.

All destructive actions are by Aug’s hand only.

Plus, it was by his suggestion Yolk quit initially and Min followed soon after.

While Aug will repeatedly say he would have given compensation if he had known, he was the one who did not even want to discuss it in the first place. That is an undeniable fact. The issue is not a matter of money but rather a matter of fairness, transparency, and attitude. Aug does not entertain the idea of compensation in a transparent manner but instead opts to try to push it off till later. Compensation desired wasn’t even necessarily monetary but since he did not even want to discuss it, he would not have known. Min, who spent hundreds of dollars out of pocket, deserves monetary compensation especially considering their personal situation that Aug is completely aware of. Yolk did not want monetary compensation but rather wanted pets, items, and/or slots that were higher than common. But, again, Aug did not want to discuss compensation and therefore would not have known by his own choice. Note, previous staff-wide compensation was a single common slot. The only scaled compensation was a single Aspirith slot for Min. Compensation was not repeated nor otherwise scaled per work time. ONLY slots for compensation is a slap in the face since it requires work to truly get the benefit. Those bogged down by work by Northern Ruins or otherwise or even personal life would not really get any benefit from the slots at all. He also claims that the privilege to do adopts when he chooses to do them is compensation ignoring the fact that creating the adopts in itself is work. The price of an adopt pays for the adopt’s creation. It does not pay for the cost of the assets done. It does not pay for the cost of the site. It does not pay for the time spent on work for Northern Ruins outside of the adopt.

But, these words are nothing without the evidence to back them up. Aug, we know you keep telling people your version of the truth. So, we will tell our truth with the evidence to back it up.

If you wish to know the truth behind the issue at hand, this link will take you there.

If any questions come up, feel free to comment on the linked sheet. Since some of the images may be small, it is recommended to view it in presentation format. Imgur links will be added later to ease reading. For the sake of not overwhelming people, please do not DM any party involved! Additionally, please do not harass Aug. Even if we have issues with him, we do not want to cause him unneeded trouble in that regard. To be transparent, this letter and the attached compilation of evidence have been created and curated by Yolk. In order to ease the reading process, I have been referring to myself in third person. Min has had a limited amount of input regarding this because they have been hospitalized and are still ongoing treatment. Further details regarding their personal health will not be given at this time to respect their privacy.

Thank you for your time in reading this.

〔Edit 9-May-2021〕

Steve from Gumroad finally learns to read.

"If you haven't gotten your refund yet, you purchased through Gumroad, and you are being ghosted or dismissed by Komugitsune, please email [email protected] directly to get your refunds. They will process the refunds for you."

Gumroad is now giving out refunds!

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! ! ! ONGOING BREAKING OF TOS AND POTENTIAL SCAMMING ! ! !

Aug is currently upselling several designs despite not adding to their value via commissioned work or through any other valid means.

Upselling Eeray

Upselling Diab

NotDamien's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

SnorkMaiden's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Traded Design

Heelies's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Gifted Design

If you wish to keep track of what he is attempting to sell and to see if anything might have inflated sell values, the link to his trade/sell thread is below. If you find something that may have inflated value, please report it and make a comment on his thread about it so more people can know. If you wish to, you can also comment here and I will add it to the list here.

Komugitsune's Trade/Sale Thread

EDIT: Image Transcription of Slides

PDF Version of Slide (Note: this will not be updated as fast but will be updated alongside the original.)

〔Edit 3-May-2021〕:

I'm adding this edit here since Aug decided, in a relatively confusing move, to lie blatantly on his site about the situation. Considering that, the following links will be added for ease of access to emphasize what he has had a direct hand in. This has gone beyond an issue concerning former staff since it has deeply affected many people unrelated to the original grievances I wrote. I sincerely hope this will help open more eyes to the issue.

I will preface with two important links.

Evidence submission form

This form is to collect formal evidence against komugitsune (Aug). As of right now, we are prioritizing gathering evidence of financial malpractice in order to strengthen cases against him in PayPal and Gumroad. However, if you have evidence of him doing any unsavory acts, we welcome that as well.

Please share this twitter link on the issue.

I have been informed that the issue is not well known outside of TH so it would be wonderful if you can spread the word outside.

Proof that Aug threatened Min and I with police action as well as that Red and Damien did not lie about it.

Please note for posterity that this was done in a midst of a spike in anti-Asian crime. Both Min and I are Asian. Threats of police, in itself, is not a joke. But threatening it in this climate is horrendous especially considering he knows both of our addresses as well as the addresses of many others.

Min's statements against Aug's allegations

Persistent lack of communication

I would like to note that Aug has still never attempted to directly contact me and has blocked me everywhere instead.

Cutting off communication avenues

It has been documented that Rook has been aiding with refunds as well as trying to be an avenue of communication between Aug and everyone else since he refuses to communicate directly. Since they have been cut off, Aug has effectively decided he would rather not face the allegations against him. Aug seems to have been using them as a scapegoat for failed refunds.

Proof of selling traced Picrew design

He sold this to me when we were still friends and he had the picrew image hidden.

More traced art

Chargeback issues as well as Aug's indecision regarding NR

I don't know why Aug doesn't seem to be settled on what will happen to NR. But I will note his waffling on it seems to correlate with his waffling on refunds.

Proof Aug said despeciesing applies to Official designs

Aug lying about refund issues

I, and others, have experienced this. Aug has repeatedly been trying to lie on paypal about "nobody" trying to communicate with him. He's blocked most people seeking refunds so the only avenue of communication is PayPal where he, again, seems adamant on lying.

Aug blocking those requesting refunds

It should be noted this wasn't a chargeback but a formal request for a refund. Basically, chargebacks seem to be the only valid avenue at this point.

huathorne

Because of a lot of tracing bring brought up, it reminded me of this character that I have made public that I bought from Aug for $85. He had the picrew images hidden but imagine my shock to learn that I spent $85 on a character traced from a picrew. It was so blatant that I wasn't even sure how to bring it up.

EDIT: added new info

Someone helped me translate the permissions associated with the picrew. Please note that the top part says private use -> non-commercial use -> commercial use -> processing (e.g. turning a picrew headshot into a full character). The only thing that is marked as okay is "private use." The text at the bottom says "for personal use only, please."

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Picrews:

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Aug's Art:

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glizzrybear

Dracurine Snorkmaiden

About the print and base/tracing:

  1. These bases are commonly known as "트레틀". They're a combination word from 트레이싱 (tracing) and 틀 ("teul" or frame). They're commonly distributed around twitter for one and its an active hashtag.

  2. Now "don't remove the id and don't use it commercially" being the TOS isn't necessarily true. I assume Dracurine said this because that's what the linked post creator wrote. However the link posted and listed as "original" is just a repost by an irrelevant party involving compilation of various 트레틀 from many artist that i assume is from twitter (actually some artist doesn't allow redistribution too so they might also be breaking rules by reposting). It isn't the original at all.
    • Different artists have different sets of rules. Some requires the ID to be kept in the picture, some allows just free use without credit if wanted. Some only allows personal use, some allows commercial use (even to use their base to open your own commission). Some has a fee to "RT if you want to use!" etcetera. Basically it varies from artists.
    • Im not saying its true but i wouldn't discount the possibility that poster just put everything under the umbrella of "keep the ID, don't use commercially" because it's the safest instead of copy pasting each artist's rules. These rules are usually written on the post or the artist's profile or on the picture itself, and as written in point 2 differs greatly from artist to artist. This means that the terms might not even be relevant to the true artist and is the TOS of the poster's. Because there's a lot of artists involved in the compilation, it is my opinion that the TOS from those many artists are all just the same two "keep the ID, don't use commercially". 

Maybe komugitsune found it on the true original post on @hel1okne twitter instead of the link Dracurine gave and they had a different rule than what they posted? Not defending nor saying its true, but it's possible it's not untrue either. The @hel1okne post is simply too old (2016-2017?) and i cant find it anymore so the truth cant be verified fully, but if anyone manages to find anything or would like help translations then my DM is open!

English is not my first language but i hope im making sense >< Putting it shortly its entirely possible they didn't break any TOS and selling is allowed regarding the print, but it's also possible they did. This is just to add more information on one thing but 100% doesn't invalidate his faults in various others like the post made above mine, which is a blatant disregard to TOS and a deceptive/dishonest sale...

[Edited to reword ><
+ I haven't read the whole posts because electricity got cut by storm and i'm relying on an unstable phone signal but from what I have, terribly sorry it happened to you all and I hope a compromise or solution can be met ;w; wishing everyone for peace of mind to come sooner than later and a great rest of the day/night!]

VictoryDrawsStuff

I just want to give my opinion on this after seeing the whole bunch of drama that occurred here.

First of all, I feel so sorry for Min and Yolk, they didn't deserve to deal with someone as shitty as Aug. Aug traced art (it is so blatantly showed, its literally a scam at this point), and scammed them by not paying them the money they deserved. The work on the site was amazing and they do truly deserve the money, and Aug really (fucked up) with the situation and handled it poorly.

For Min's work even if it was volunteer it was so amazing, the site is so well developed and I can tell it was hard work put into it, and Min deserves the money and proper compensation. (Especially since their health is not well and I hope their health improves.)

Honestly, at this point, I see Aug as a complete scammer at this point who abused his position as owner. Aug traced art and sold it to people in the form of designs, that's literally so shit, and he got himself into (this) hell of a situation by scamming Min and Yolk of their work for this amazing CS. 

I am not part of the CS or APRG, but like many others, I feel so sorry and I hope this gets resolved soon. :(

Rook

Just adding to say... someone was kind enough to show me what I was missing in this whole discourse and as usual I'm ignorant and don't know anything... I will continue to be a point of contact regarding NR refunds etc but I also just want to apologize for... everything

Kuruna

glizzrybear thank you for the information! It's difficult to say for sure whether or not any base rules were broken unless the original post or artist's rules regarding bases is found, but I've noted in the post that it might be fine. If anything solid regarding it comes up I'll make note of it!

Edit: I would say that at minimum it was very heavily referenced to the point of overlapping in a way that's questionable for commercial art 😭

grimberriz

glizzrybear The hel1okne account has been deactivated for a while and I couldn't find the original post due to the deactivation that's the thing (I'm assuming 2017 due to last @ being in twitter. But even then, it's not a good source) .  I'm assuming that Komugitsune would have got this reference from Pinterest imo. There was a tweet asking if a pose if they can use this certain pose for commissions but due to deactivation; I don't know what they have said. So it's lost to time I guess ;;.The question is did anyone try to make an overlay and see if they're actually traced or it's used as a heavy reference? 

Kuruna

glizzrybear Dracurine hello! After some looking I've managed to find the pixiv account of hel1okne: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/977805 I'm not sure if the base in question will be here, but I'll post again if I find it on this account!

grimberriz

Snorkmaiden, I checked there before but, it leads to dead ends :( ! Since it just leads to the deactivated twitter and their email. The only thing I could find active is their ask.fm; https://ask.fm/hel1okne which seems to be a year ago? ;;

moonilymoth

i do wanna throw out there btw, would it be at all possible to maybe start a donation pool for min as a sort of compensation/reperations for all the work and issues they had to go through, not to mention possibly dealing with hospital bills? of course, its entirely valid if this is not something min wants to be set up, but i thought itd be a nice suggestion since i think out of everything, everyone seems to universally agree min shouldve absolutely been paid for the amount of work they put into NR

MANTISPIRE

 ( Rook With all honesty this thread isn't the place for the constant apologies. This is about Aug and while I understand you mean well, I think your aid in the situation has a lot more weight than posting apologies. )

I agree with moon! Some sort of donation pool to help out would really be nice I think if they would be alright with one. 

zuckerr

Small update: I went to aug's profile and this is what is shown up on their profile. Aparently they no longer want NR to be active anymore.

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Edit: forgot to say but i think moon idea would be nice~ ♥

VictoryDrawsStuff

^ Pointing out on zuckerr latest post this is either a move that Aug has given up and realized his mistakes or he is just dropping it whole and STILL denying the situation (and I don't trust the fact that he says he will give refunds to people.). Honestly quite concerning. And last time I went to his profile and looked around all his own characters except for those being traded are hidden... In my opinion, it is quite a move that Aug will NOT hand over NR to a new owner and stuff like that.

Edit: Oh yes I like the idea moon came up with! That could be a great way to raise money and give it to Min! Only if Min is fine with it of course, but it is still an epic idea! :)

Edit 2: Well, if NR is gone I wonder what shall happen in the end (and I do hope that no more drama will go off with those refunds),,, Good luck on ending this, for it seems its the beginning of the end of this drama. Whatever happens of course. ;/

Rook

Yes, I can confirm that NR is gone, period, but refunds will absolutely happen. He has already refunded a couple people and I'm working on getting him all the info he needs to refund everyone else.