PSA-Artist Beware: Guro-boy/Gintoki-kinnie

Posted 6 years, 12 days ago (Edited 1 year, 13 days ago) by Momma-Lucifer

https://artists-beware.livejournal.com/994302.html

WHO: Guro-Boy

https://guro-boy.deviantart.com/

https://josuke-hiigashikata.tumblr.com/ (Abandoned)
New: https://gyro-joestar.tumblr.com/ 

https://twitter.com/j0hnny_joestar(Abandoned)
New: https://twitter.com/gyr0zeppeli

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/vitreoushumor

WHERE: https://toyhou.se/guro-boy (Deactivated account)

https://refsheet.net/guroboy (Still trying to trade their dainty) Moved to https://refsheet.net/Wormwood (nsfw art featured here: http://archive.is/mP8Op )


New accounts: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/gintoki./

https://toyhou.se/Gintoki-kinnie

https://refsheet.net/Gintoki


Still very active on Gintoki-kinnie, and joining several CS groups. Please be extremely cautious when dealing with them. 


Was also discovered he still owns 2 longthings, despite being banned from the species/community. 

https://sta.sh/214d2x3ndq2?edit=1



WHAT: 2 longthings (closed species by Glidertoo)

 

WHEN: Jan 31st, 2018 

EXPLAIN: I was approached by Guro-boy when I placed a thread seeking Longthings to buy. They messaged me with two that they were selling, one at 150$ and the other at 100$. I thought this was fine and wanted to buy them both. They originally asked me to send as Friends and family, but I said I was uncomfortable with that and offered to pay the fees for them. They sent me an invoice, which I was comfortable with because invoices are more secure. They gave me the image files and all was fine after. About a month in, I was contacted by a user, who I won’t mention, stating that their longthing looked eerily similar to one of mine. I agreed and sent Glider a note about it. (I later learned Glider isn’t as active where I contacted them, so that’s not an issue). I then contacted Guro and they stated it was a custom. I was still very wary, but I accepted it and just kept things quiet while I did some research. Things got busy, IRL, so I dropped the thing to take care of my life.

Glider posted a journal to FA today, April 11th, 2018. And stated there was a tracing issue. I asked in the thread, for someone to note me the name of the user. I was noted, by SEVERAL people, that it was guro-boy. This prompted me to message glider, who was active on the site, for confirmation. They confirmed my suspicions and stated I was sold two altered long things.

 

As of currently, I have filed a dispute asking for them to VERIFY the legitimacy of these longthings, but I will be escalating it to an immediate claim.

 

PROOF:

Glider’s journal: https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8690922 (http://archive.is/utgJN)

The Two longthings I was sold: https://sta.sh/21sds6or442j?edit=1

Conversation for original purchase: https://sta.sh/017r9nhrw0el

Paypal proof: https://sta.sh/0amkxon9kd9

Second PM asking about legitimacy: https://sta.sh/01jzv5os7nd5

PM to glider: https://sta.sh/01x7uafbrotp

Folder with proofs: https://sta.sh/210pqzzkxepp?edit=1

 

Update: They have contacted me via email, and offered a refund on a payment plan after I escalated the dispute to a claim.  https://sta.sh/01kh1arkw3ms 
My reply and theirs: https://sta.sh/022fhs2g4eou

They have NOT refunded me anything yet. Despite this conversation happening this morning

Update 4/21/2018: They have contacted me via email and offered me the partial refund via. Together, we have decided that I will deny the refund so the case can be reviewed and the date extended in order to get a full refund of the 258$. I felt this was the best course of action, since the date they originally requested for the second payment was so close.

Updated: PayPal closed the case, not in my favor, and now I’m out the 258$. :,) So there’s nothing I can do, except hope that Guro actual refunds me, since I have no ground to stand on anymore. Update (5/1/2018): Paypal has closed the case, again, against my favor. I contacted Guro boy. They replied saying they needed to check if their bank wouldn't frekk out. Then proceed to tell me that they WOULD refund it. Here we are. Almost a week past the actual date they said they'd have the full amount. Nothing. I'm taking this as a loss. I am going to see if my bank will do anything. I am doubtful, but I can at least hope.
https://sta.sh/0bnt5rwp6b2 
https://sta.sh/0wzpx7cx0gc

5/19/2018 My bank has denied the claim to reverse the charge. Their reason is that paypal stated that I authorized the transaction. They found the payment to be valid. So, I've filed a complaint with the BBB, but at this point, there's nothing I can do.
https://sta.sh/0k1iahz5sle 
https://sta.sh/018o63e5htu8 (BBB case)

Guro has been seen trying to commission Glider, despite not refunding me the amount. https://prnt.sc/jmayyx (Archive link: http://archive.is/ynH7z )


5/26/2018: It looks like Guro-boy has migrated to making off-brands of the closed species he was banned from. https://toyhou.se/~forums/5867.service-reviews/63052.psa-artist-beware-guro-boy-updated-5-24-?page=8#post-1493872 
http://archive.is/uruXC 
Second update: Guro has now blocked me from his social media platforms, which leaves me no way to contact him. It confirms that he was the one that made these fake longthings, and not this "darlingdoq" account he claimed sold him these. https://sta.sh/0hdfdn9kpor

Third update:

And ladies and gents, I have payment part 1 of 2 from Guro-boy.
https://sta.sh/014i8wjqluw5 
https://sta.sh/0gbcxkc9wk

Update (6/2): Guro boy has been caught tracing art from other artists and selling them as commissions. http://bibbity-babbity.tumblr.com/post/174478869145/josuke-hiigashikata-quick-question-would-you ( http://archive.is/MntOu)

Update 6/3: New accounts added to the list of accounts.
Artist beware from traced art: http://bibbity-babbity.tumblr.com/post/174477990110/guro-boy-vitreoushumor-art-theftbootlegging


**Update 11/3/21: New accounts added to the beware



If anyone is interested in retweeting the AB post on twitter: https://twitter.com/Artists_Beware/status/994804199920754688

** 6/20/2018: A rep from paypal called me today. She resolved my claim and issued a credit for thew full 258$ to my account. It turns out, there was a large misunderstanding on paypal's part and my correct channel through the BBB resolved this. I issued a refund to Guro-boy for the 125$ they gave me. I am not interested in keeping money that is not mine. I am considering this resolved.

Psy-Yuki

A quick search for one of their characters revealed that they now have a new refsheet under the name https://refsheet.net/Wormwood


mothgf

sent in a ticket about it to refsheet. not sure if they'll do anything, but hey, worth informing them of it.

Momma-Lucifer

Thank you Psy-Yuki !

Akasira

guro-boy's still making off-brand dainties for themselves, especially using a dainty specific base which has a rule "for dainties only". kind of obvious they're still making it out to be a dainty, and i know for a fact it's a newer character, not just a dainty they had before. i decided to note the base-maker about it, though i'm not sure anything can be done about it since they did buy the base. but still, how shitty is that? really?

the off-brand character is here: https://refsheet.net/Wormwood/Sweetie (NSFW warning)

but it's fairly obvious...listing it as "unicorn boy" doesn't make it any less obvious, esp with the specific deer tail trait that dainties have- as well as the stockings/deer legs and then putting it on a dainty SPECIFIC base. they do still have their previous dainties as theirs too, just getting rid of the "dainty" label. but to go through this trouble too- id just get rid of them by now or turn them into normal ocs ig. don't get me wrong, anyone can have a satyr with stockings- but knowing this person was really invested in the community makes it a little questionable.

Titheling

That's kind of just unreal - they made this artist/adopt makers life extremely stressful and difficult by creating offbrand version of their cs and then they just think it's okay/nbd to go and commission them??? Like i'm sorry but ontop of making these new offbrand cs I'm really uncomfortable with them being around the adopt community at all - and know they are given their attachment to other species they have yet to be banned from. This is REALLY disgusting - clearly shows they haven't learned much at all if they're doing this ontop of no refund. I know money is tough sometimes but...clearly they have some to spare if they're trying to commission...
This is the point where their name just needs to be plastered EVERYWHERE because clearly nothing else is getting through their head, christ...

Momma-Lucifer

Akasira Thank you for this information. I’ll be sure to update bewares with it. I noticed that too. They have a couple others that are seemingly new.

Milesian Sadly, that’s all I can do. I’ve posted this to every Facebook beware I can find, asked for retweets on twitter, @ them on twitter. I’ve even reached out to a few of the CS owners that they have species in. I haven’t spoken to Ugly god about Novatt, but I know someone has. I just spoke to the owner of braidtails yesterday. I do agree, though, is is absolutely disgusting. They keep on like they did absolutely nothing wrong because “they didn’t know they were stolen”. Which I just don’t believe. You don’t continue on life as if nothing happened. It proves his guilt.

Momma-Lucifer

Lul. They blocked me on all their media platforms. I was going to leave a shout on their FA linking the bewares. :( Darn. https://sta.sh/0hdfdn9kpor

Momma-Lucifer

You are an angel. Thank you. <3 mufifins

Momma-Lucifer

mufifins It did something, since they FINALLY replied to my email.

And ladies and gents, I have payment part 1 of 2 from Guro-boy.
https://sta.sh/014i8wjqluw5
https://sta.sh/0gbcxkc9wk

Zeda

Sounds to ME like GB's only paying in the hope that it can make this public notice go away. But, hey, at least you won't be out the ENTIRE amount, even if they just go back to ignoring you and making counterfeit Dainties again

mothgf

The link to Sweetie seems to be 404ing.
Did anyone archive the page?

Momma-Lucifer

@Nitocris I sure did. Lol http://archive.is/uruXC Archive seems to be having issues right now, though.

mothgf

Huh, not even screenshot mode is working. Checking a facebook link on archive, it seems to load fine, though. Wondering if it's just refsheet being weird - checked the archive of the front page of RS and it seems to be bugged, too.