EXPLAIN: I was approached by Guro-boy when I placed a thread seeking Longthings to buy. They messaged me with two that they were selling, one at 150$ and the other at 100$. I thought this was fine and wanted to buy them both. They originally asked me to send as Friends and family, but I said I was uncomfortable with that and offered to pay the fees for them. They sent me an invoice, which I was comfortable with because invoices are more secure. They gave me the image files and all was fine after. About a month in, I was contacted by a user, who I won’t mention, stating that their longthing looked eerily similar to one of mine. I agreed and sent Glider a note about it. (I later learned Glider isn’t as active where I contacted them, so that’s not an issue). I then contacted Guro and they stated it was a custom. I was still very wary, but I accepted it and just kept things quiet while I did some research. Things got busy, IRL, so I dropped the thing to take care of my life.

Glider posted a journal to FA today, April 11^th, 2018. And stated there was a tracing issue. I asked in the thread, for someone to note me the name of the user. I was noted, by SEVERAL people, that it was guro-boy. This prompted me to message glider, who was active on the site, for confirmation. They confirmed my suspicions and stated I was sold two altered long things.

As of currently, I have filed a dispute asking for them to VERIFY the legitimacy of these longthings, but I will be escalating it to an immediate claim.

PROOF:

Glider’s journal: https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8690922 (http://archive.is/utgJN)

The Two longthings I was sold: https://sta.sh/21sds6or442j?edit=1

Conversation for original purchase: https://sta.sh/017r9nhrw0el

Paypal proof: https://sta.sh/0amkxon9kd9

Second PM asking about legitimacy: https://sta.sh/01jzv5os7nd5

PM to glider: https://sta.sh/01x7uafbrotp

Folder with proofs: https://sta.sh/210pqzzkxepp?edit=1

Update: They have contacted me via email, and offered a refund on a payment plan after I escalated the dispute to a claim. https://sta.sh/01kh1arkw3ms
My reply and theirs: https://sta.sh/022fhs2g4eou

They have NOT refunded me anything yet. Despite this conversation happening this morning

Update 4/21/2018: They have contacted me via email and offered me the partial refund via. Together, we have decided that I will deny the refund so the case can be reviewed and the date extended in order to get a full refund of the 258$. I felt this was the best course of action, since the date they originally requested for the second payment was so close.

Updated: PayPal closed the case, not in my favor, and now I’m out the 258$. :,) So there’s nothing I can do, except hope that Guro actual refunds me, since I have no ground to stand on anymore. Update (5/1/2018): Paypal has closed the case, again, against my favor. I contacted Guro boy. They replied saying they needed to check if their bank wouldn't frekk out. Then proceed to tell me that they WOULD refund it. Here we are. Almost a week past the actual date they said they'd have the full amount. Nothing. I'm taking this as a loss. I am going to see if my bank will do anything. I am doubtful, but I can at least hope.
https://sta.sh/0bnt5rwp6b2
https://sta.sh/0wzpx7cx0gc

5/19/2018 My bank has denied the claim to reverse the charge. Their reason is that paypal stated that I authorized the transaction. They found the payment to be valid. So, I've filed a complaint with the BBB, but at this point, there's nothing I can do.
https://sta.sh/0k1iahz5sle
https://sta.sh/018o63e5htu8 (BBB case)

Guro has been seen trying to commission Glider, despite not refunding me the amount. https://prnt.sc/jmayyx (Archive link: http://archive.is/ynH7z )

5/26/2018: It looks like Guro-boy has migrated to making off-brands of the closed species he was banned from. https://toyhou.se/~forums/5867.service-reviews/63052.psa-artist-beware-guro-boy-updated-5-24-?page=8#post-1493872
http://archive.is/uruXC
Second update: Guro has now blocked me from his social media platforms, which leaves me no way to contact him. It confirms that he was the one that made these fake longthings, and not this "darlingdoq" account he claimed sold him these. https://sta.sh/0hdfdn9kpor

Third update:

And ladies and gents, I have payment part 1 of 2 from Guro-boy.
https://sta.sh/014i8wjqluw5
https://sta.sh/0gbcxkc9wk

Update (6/2): Guro boy has been caught tracing art from other artists and selling them as commissions. http://bibbity-babbity.tumblr.com/post/174478869145/josuke-hiigashikata-quick-question-would-you ( http://archive.is/MntOu)

Update 6/3: New accounts added to the list of accounts.
Artist beware from traced art: http://bibbity-babbity.tumblr.com/post/174477990110/guro-boy-vitreoushumor-art-theftbootlegging

**Update 11/3/21: New accounts added to the beware.

If anyone is interested in retweeting the AB post on twitter: https://twitter.com/Artists_Beware/status/994804199920754688

** 6/20/2018: A rep from paypal called me today. She resolved my claim and issued a credit for thew full 258$ to my account. It turns out, there was a large misunderstanding on paypal's part and my correct channel through the BBB resolved this. I issued a refund to Guro-boy for the 125$ they gave me. I am not interested in keeping money that is not mine. I am considering this resolved.

Disdain

There's something unsettling about Guru being allowed to use this site on a different account when they stole my character and the art I paid for. Oh, and they've blocked me on this new acc so who even knows if they're still doing something with my longthing 💀

Momma-Lucifer

Hmm, they still own several CS they were banned from. I'll be updating this when I get home from work and notifying the respective CS owners.

Thank you for the information.

Momma-Lucifer

New: 4/11/23

https://sta.sh/214d2x3ndq2?edit=1

Guro-boy owns 2 longthings despite being blacklisted from the community.

It seems that he was trying to wait out his reputation. Still very much a RED FLAG. Interact at your own risk.

Zeda

I wanted to chime in today with a new addition to the PSA.

Not too long ago, a member of the Milqilin community [@Wyrmblood] put a Milqilin valued at $450 up for resale or trade, and ended up agreeing to a partial resale/trade with gintoki-kinnie for $200 + a Czylph design, which Gintoki had valued at roughly $200-$250. Upon investigation, it was discovered that Gintoki had previously received this Czylph as a gift, and it therefore should have had no monetary trade value. ADDENDUM [April 25th, 2023, 7:50PMEst]: Beau has informed me that, although his TOS does allow for trading of gifted designs, he requires people who are choosing to go that route to contact him for a 'worth' assessment first [and, presumably, to be up-front with any potential party they're trading with about the design's prior Gift status]. He has said that he plans to write up a bulletin reminding customers of this clause in his TOS, as well as caution them not to do business with gintoki-kinnie.

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When I contacted Wyrmblood to ask them if he had been forthcoming about the Czylph's gift-only status when they negotiated the trade, it was confirmed that gintoki-kinnie had NOT been honest about that, had set the price point himself, and that Wyrmblood was unhappy to have been scammed in this way. I received permission to contact moderators about the scam, and I'd like to spare Wyrm having to deal directly with the stress of this unfortunate situation if they don't HAVE to, so that's why I'm not tagging them here

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Gintoki-kinnie appears to currently be active in Sprinkits, Popuns, Frankenhounds, and Chimereons, as well as a handful of other CS communities, and has acquired new Longthings [despite being blacklisted] as recently as the end of last year. He has also obtained access to an official Milqilin V3 L or XL base, and given his prior history of creating counterfeit designs, I think that the community should be advised to be on the look out for scam trades of L or XL Milqilin.

I have contacted the Milqilin mods about this, as well as Boo [boopeep, authorized designer for Longthings] and Beau [umbral-wind, owner of Czylphs] to let them know what's up.

Zeda

Rikki Thank you so much, I wasn't aware of that! I'll edit my update comment to reflect that information - would 'authorized designer' be a good title for Boo?

ALSO, I know that they're aware of Gintoki-kinnie in general, since he has been blacklisted for some time now, but I wasn't sure if they had been informed of his most recent breach of their Blacklist when he obtained those 2 new Longthings...? If they've been informed already, then I apologize for sending out redundant messages!

Zeda

Rikki I understand, thank you so much for letting me know! And I know it's an aside, but I just wanna say, good for them and I wish them both the best! ♥

mothplush

Says their account was closed, Gintoki-kinnie will probably pop back up on a new account eventually though, knowing how this has went.

Vossed

I believe the admin closed their account so if they come back they’d be ban evading! (Take this with a grain of salt as this information comes from an anon on the Tumblr blog)

Edit: The ask has been swallowed by the blog but I’m still looking for it to show as some kinda proof 😔

Zeda

Updating the thread to say that Guro-boy/gintoki-kinnie has also been Blacklisted from the Milqilin CS, with the listed reasons being scamming @wyrmblood and for attempting to trade for what are essentially gift-only shop point items.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jiHUBSoozuH82y-3Nmt-wgUDSLFjQX-DGTsLrkLKCME/edit#gid=0 <-- a link to the Milqilin CS Banned Users and Blacklist