[RESOLVED] PSA + Artists Beware: ToasterKiwi

Posted 5 years, 10 months ago (Edited 5 years, 10 months ago) by January

I am afraid someone or other will try to report me on every platform that I’ve written PSAs on. This seems ludicrous, but if you’ve read the PSA and read about her behavior warning secondary PSA, you’ll realize there’s not too much you can put past that type of person. Since LiveJournal is notorious for being incredibly unhelpful and awful when it comes to support, I don’t think my account there will ever be reinstated, especially not after they suspended it without any warning or explanation. (For the record, I made exactly three posts on LJ, all vetted and approved by Artists Beware mods who made sure I was posting according to their guidelines and LJ guidelines.)

ARTISTS BEWARE LINK + TWITTER LINK:

Link to Dropbox post: Artists Beware: ToasterKiwi

LiveJournal AB (not working): https://artists-beware.livejournal.com/997512.html 

Twitter AB (the tweet exists, but the link to the journal post is not working): https://twitter.com/Artists_Beware/status/1002389429795860481

The official Beware omits the disturbing information regarding her personal behavior mentioned at the bottom of this PSA. After messaging the moderators, they've agreed that the secondary PSA from Pereden handles information slightly too personal to be posted on a strictly transaction issues/trade issues community like Artists Beware, so it will only be noted here.

It seems to be a recurring trend that supposedly trustworthy artists of decent popularity really drop the ball on big orders and yet continue on as if there isn't a customer who has been waiting for an awfully long time, and boy is this one a doozy. I really pick some winners.

WHERE:

Twitter:https://twitter.com/ToasterKiwi

DeviantArt:https://toasterkiwi.deviantart.com/

Tumblr:http://toasterkiwi.tumblr.com/

Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/toasterkiwi/?hl=en

FurAffinity:http://www.furaffinity.net/user/toasterkiwi

Twitch:http://www.twitch.tv/kiwikuru

YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/user/KiwiFlipnote/videos

Website:http://toastershop.tictail.com/

Toyhouse: https://toyhou.se/ToasterKiwi

WHAT: Digital art piece — x1 custom adopt worth 200 USD.

WHEN: October 2017 — present (May 2018)

EXPLAIN: I ordered a custom character commission from ToasterKiwi's auction back in October 2017. I didn't receive a rough sketch WIP until December 2017 and no further visual updates since then. Meanwhile, the artist has output tons of artwork and merchandise for conventions and shop orders and is plenty active on Twitter throughout this duration, yet has no progress update for me about the order. The last communication I had was in March 2018 where she claims to still be working on the order, but provides zero visual updates.

I am Tythius on DeviantArt. (I have a Gyazo Pro account so all screenshots saved there are permanent.)

General timeline of notes from the artist, sorted in the DA search function which removes any indicator of read or unread status. (Proof 0.)

TIMELINE:

18 October 2017: Purchased a custom adopt commission from an auction for 200 USD. Paid, artist confirms commission, and details are exchanged. (Proof 1Proof 2Proof 3Proof 4Proof 5Proof 6.)

No further communication from artist until December 2017.

6 December 2017: Artist provides a rough sketch of the design plan. I request some changes and the artist agrees. (Proof 7Proof 8.)

No further communication from artist until March 2018.

17 March 2018: After not hearing from the artist for roughly three months now, I request an update. The artist responds and claims she is still working on it, but shows no visual WIP. (Proof 9.)

No further communication from artist since. Posts an adoptable on 1 May 2018.

21 May 2018: The artist is incredibly active on Twitter throughout this duration from March to May, responding to tweets, tweeting, retweeting, producing and sending out merchandise, etc. I send a note on 21 May 2018 requesting an update with a visual WIP. Unread. (Proof 10Proof 11.)

After 21 May 2018: The artist tweets very often on Twitter and continues to be extremely active there. No response on DeviantArt. I've sent a Twitter DM on 25 May 2018 and it has yet to be read/responded to despite the artist logging on and retweeting something on the 26th. (Proof 12Proof 13Proof 14.)

Examples of very frequent Twitter activity including more adoptables on 1 May 2018: (Ex. 1Ex. 2Ex. 3) Please check the Twitter account for many more posts during the 7-month period of minimal communication with me. Also took Valentine's Day commissions and finished those: Ex. 4. In short, very, very high levels of activity and art without a single update on my commission that didn't have to be initiated by me.

PERSONAL NOTE:

The other custom adopt that was purchased from the same auction were finished within two months. I am still waiting on mine with extremely poor and irresponsible communication from this artist and I am so incredibly disappointed with her. She is clearly very active on the internet and extremely active attending cons and yet she can't be bothered notifying me of delays or progress when the wait has now hit 7 months. Even a simple acknowledgement of my messages on DeviantArt or Twitter while she was clearly capable of accessing a computer with ample time to browse and tweet would have been acceptable. This is insulting for someone of her caliber and popularity and overwhelmingly unprofessional considering the amount of money at stake. Outrageous.

It might seem like I'm jumping the gun a bit, but if you simply look at her insanely packed schedule of conventions for the rest of 2018 and consider flight times and merchandise prep time, you'll have the same worry I do that she may never complete the order.

Additionally, I was much more severe in my Twitter messages regarding the absurd wait on this order in relation to the rate at which she produces art and merchandise and general activity levels on the internet overall, but after confiding in a friend about this problem, my friend was very worried and sent me this public warning about her behavior (this is her previous username), My friend advised very careful approach with ToasterKiwi so I deleted several messages out of worry. If anyone else is waiting on an order from her, please please please proceed with caution when contacting her. Please.

I'll add as a sidenote that I did put out some feelers and asked friends of friends who were attending Fanime in San Jose, CA this year to see if they could ask her about my commission on my behalf, but they all apologized and turned me down because they were afraid of her due to the aforementioned warning regarding her behavior. (Figure 1. Figure 2. [I'm "Slug."]) After some more digging, it seems this incident was mostly swept under the rug by Kiwi's white knights who are willing to dismiss even death threats in their unhealthy and frankly disturbing devotion, but many in the artist community still remember this event and loosely ties back to me in that Fanime/several of the conventions were my best bet at reaching her through someone who could attend, but no one I know is willing to directly speak with her for fear of something bad happening. And I can't fault them. I just find this a series of very unfortunate circumstances that have forced my hand here. 

I have received almost no updates past a rough WIP sketch and personal contact attempts have been met with failure. Attempts to contact her indirectly at a convention have failed because she's left behind such a frightening impression that entire groups of attendees and artists are unwilling to compromise their safety to remind her that she still owes commissions from 2017.


RESOLUTION:

An incredible section to finally write. Copying and pasting the final post here: 


At last, good news!

The artist has finally contacted me to send the current work done and we worked out a partial refund of $100 based on the progress and the fact that it was a custom design commission (which ups the work value more than a standard commission).

Compiling screenshots here as a record:

1. https://gyazo.com/bf250b8e15b7c78dc0804643715ce591

2. https://gyazo.com/fca67cf11fcbedd145734053f8805592

3. https://gyazo.com/4126c0a82224de2d495af679598f3590

4. https://gyazo.com/523f73bbcc6dc20fc8f0f10f653f40e1

She's offered to send me the completed version if it's ever done, but I'm not holding my breath for that. Still, if she ever does, then I am more than happy to send her back the money she deserves for the work.

Proof of .psd file sent to my e-mail:

https://gyazo.com/b57b7f6ed5fd7690a6ffd3e75571b337

Proof of payment sent:

https://gyazo.com/90d76483cda1f9fd0e52b4b69f994cc8 https://gyazo.com/78bd660312d1fd43c362be313a2212b2

I am disappointed that it took 7 months and a PSA to finally get this resolved, but I'll be happy that it was resolved at all and very pleased that it was resolved peacefully. Thank you very much to everyone who expressed their sympathies and helped share the PSA--I'm 100% certain that having a problem made public was the deciding factor in how swiftly a resolution came about, as is often the case.

As with BabushkaVatman, I am sure adopts/premade designs/merchandise are safe to purchase from ToasterKiwi, but this is another artist to be very, very wary of purchasing a full, customized order from.

January

Oof, thanks for the condolences. I wasn't lucky with PayPal this time but the representative who answered me said he will message her from PayPal's official notification system and request further details about the transaction. He's not optimistic about another one being opened past the 6-month mark but depending on how things go from there he mentioned it's not impossible.

I also sent her a message through her e-mail and her Tictail store so I hope she responds to something. As a gesture of good faith, I snagged a quick $12 charm from her store and included my message with the order, so maybe? I dunno. Dancing on eggshells here.

I'd take even a partial refund at this point to be honest. The information that came to light regarding her has made this a very concerning situation that I would really rather not be involved with, even if distantly as a complete stranger ordering a commission.

January

I'd say this is also a super weird situation so bets are the progression of it will be equally as unusual. My honest opinion is that she's spreading herself way too thin (I mean, just look at that convention schedule on her DA page, holy smokes) and this is a natural byproduct of trying to be everywhere at once. All I hope for at this point is to 1. get at least a partial refund or the finished work and 2. avoid any potential meltdown.

Honestly, I saw this on the custom adopt auction that I bought my order from and I'm beating my past self with a broom for ignoring this glaring red flag because "Oh, look, she still delivered it, so it's not so bad, right???" https://gyazo.com/c3e29856804eaade136a745f0609180e This one is on me for being too dumb to exist seven months ago and letting myself be blinded by her pretty colors.

AsylumPatient

Jesus Christ to display such sociopathic traits at such a young age is terrifying. Why have the cons not banned her? (somewhere she mentioned someone not being 12 and that it was inappropriate for her to engage with someone older)

For your own personal safety I kind of want to tell you to bite the bullet with the refund....but I still really want you to get your refund. Just...keep an eye out for more 'hate art' and threats. Please report them and stay safe.

January

Augh, yes, thank you for the concern! I submitted this post to Artists Beware’s LiveJournal and hope everything clears the mod approval. I will have to omit the most concerning part, however, because their rules do not allow that kind of extra information and posts should only contain information pertaining to the transaction issue. 

AsylumPatient

January I actually wonder if they would accept that extra bit of info in comments solely because that is worrisome and kind of needs to be out there. Maybe ask the mods about adding it somewhere in the comments?

Like I agree with not posting such things in the initial bewares but I think that is really important. They're making death threats against multiple people...

January

AsylumPatient Yeah, I was going to wait for the mods to get back to me on the initial post, then PM one of them privately on LJ about including that information since it’s quite severe but also doesn’t directly relate to the transaction. Yet.

January

AsylumPatient I've noted it in the brief update on top with the AB link, but the AB mods have determined that the threats, severe though they are, are not directly relevant to the transaction and should not be included, especially because they contain too much personal information for a site like Artists Beware. I do agree with their reasoning since it could send other PSAs posted there into far too personal territory as well, so I'll just keep it here!

AsylumPatient

I think that's fair! It's the one part I'd be so-so on but yeah, thank you for the beware alone! I do hope in that time they have gotten help or at the very least something can be done about your refund :/

SeaSlugs

I'm so sorry you had too bad run ins like this o)-<. Does anyone know how old she was during the aero stuff? When I was around 16-17, I had something like this happen. I wasn't even close to as vocal as Kiwi, but I was in a dangerous place (more towards myself but the pacing and punching pillows was def. A coping thing lol). The only thing that helped was intensive therapy and hospitalization. I really hope she's able to realize this and get help. You can't just overwork yourself and lock away your feelings and throw away the key!

Best of luck getting your custom or refund without a blowout. She seems more popular now, so I'm hoping that would force her to handle this without a public tantrum, but that previous attitude is definitely troubling. Though since you two aren't familiar I don't think she could really do harm, thankfully.

January

SeaSlugs Rarely is it ever the artists themselves that pose a problem in these situations, but their near-fanatical followers (usually a very vocal minority of their followers) who can't see reason for the rose-tinted glasses over their eyes. The original incident that scared people from wanting to talk to her at Fanime when I asked was apparently very downplayed by others trying to defend her:

https://gyazo.com/e7ad1f48246598eccc302e868d57d4db

https://gyazo.com/4539c5061205930b46dafe054dc3508b

From the discussion, I gather she has not sought help even a year after the events in 2016, as these messages are from 2017, which does not bode well for the resolution of this PSA.

SeaSlugs

oof, forgot about her fans. It's seriously awful that her fans are allowing and enabling her behaviour...I've sent this to a couple friends (one actually follows her) in hopes they be cautious of her just to be on the safe side :(
TY for this PSA!

January

SeaSlugs I don't know how much of this can be believed, but I did remember seeing her mention her age on an old deviation. https://gyazo.com/b5353108c8554ccc7a4c1469e35a66d2 Apparently 14 in 2012, which would make her 18 in 2016 when that incident happened. So right around your age if you're comparing experiences.

January

So I've left ToasterKiwi a public reply on her latest Twitter post. Screencapping in case anything happens to it. [Here.]

I feel for her situation, being so busy, but this order has been in limbo for seven months so my sympathy levels are at an all time low. I'll quote Artists Beware's succinct declaration regarding these situations: "People want resolutions, not excuses. Ultimately, accepting currency for a product or vice versa is a business transaction, and your personal problems have no place in it. These are now obligations, and this applies to art trades as well."

She's taking on more projects and more works and this is a choice she is making to acquire and complete more new work before completing owed work. This is very frustrating.