PSA: Criimi @ Toyhou.se UPDATE:Payment Plans

Posted 5 years, 6 months ago (Edited 5 years, 4 months ago) by PetitexCosette

Who: Criimi @Toyhou.se / ViranArts @DA

When: Present

What: Asking for full price for a design then only giving half even after several message reminders, Selling designs from the gift threads/or traded designs with no new artwork, charging higher prices for designs that have no new artwork

All evidence:

Conversation chain

Upcharged guppicorn/Transfer log stating $25/Last piece of art uploaded

All gifted/traded designs up for sale with prices and some transfer logs

Gaia online adopt marked for $15 / Transfer log from gift thread

Statement about knowingly selling/vouchering gifted designs due to "financial reasons"

Evidence of only trading half design, yet asking for full price

Waiting on:

Evidence of claiming designs to not pay them off, yet buying more designs.

Edit: You can see in conversation screenshot 9 they did not erase them but put them under unlisted, hiding them. They are still most likely marked for sale even though they have no value. Please be careful not to buy these characters.

As always this is not an invitation to witch hunt, harass, or go after. Just a warning to anyone who trades or buys from them.

Conversation about events below:

You can see in the entire conversation chain here when I asked about it. 

Incident one: Trading

All my evidence is located here for the trade problem.

Here is the original adopt posting. You can still click the link to latest bid to see it was indeed bought for $50 TOGETHER.

https://www.deviantart.com/cemaradopts/art/AUCTION-CLOSED-Genderbender-Mahou-Shoujo-757995676

You can see the chain of events in the screenshots but I'll summarize it here.

Basically I enquired about 2 characters on Criimis thread, they went through and favorited all the designs of mine they were interested in. Well waiting on that I decided against Andraste and just wanted the one they were trading/selling for 50. This design was "silver" from the original auction post. It came with the male headshot and the female full body since it was meant to be a male transforming into a female magical girl concept. They came together I did not know this at the time and just figured they were being traded together as a pair. After they replied they favorited the ones that interested them I replied offering a mad carnival design for her. They replied they weren't worth enough so I asked for specification on what they'd trade for her. They asked for my dreamy Titania and my dainties. All who are worth more than 50. I said no and offered 2 characters to meet the 50 dollar mark that they accepted and I excitedly transferred the characters. But when I received the transfer from Criimi the headshot boy was gone. I messaged them IMMEDIETLY asking about it and they claimed they "didn't know I wanted it" even though it was technically part of the design and part of the 50 value I traded for. I told them it was fine an to send it separately I was going to seperate them myself on transfer anyways. A few hours later I received no headshot and I mailed them again. They claimed to be out and away from their pc so they couldn't. I apologized for bothering them but then my suspicions were confirmed. An anonymous user who I did not show in my message screenshots mailed me alerting me the that they were one design and I had only received half of it by not getting the headshot. It has been more than 24 hours and I STILL have not received it. The user has been on, replied to their trading thread 3 times, and even resurrected their month old sale thread to ask if a user was STILL interested in purchasing a design. So I'm posting this beware as it seems apparent they removed it on purpose as they stated they didn't know I wanted it,and have refused to send it to me even though they've been active enough to ask for a purchase of their designs. 

Incident 2: Discovering sale of gifted/traded characters for sale

I did some digging to verify claims they made about why the character was labeled as UFS-50 when the original buyer @Shiinichi told me they traded it to them. Criimi told me they just forgot to change the name due to being busy, but then me and some friends discovered their trade folder was full of gifted/traded designs. One was even marked $5 higher than the original sale even though no new art was bought with it.

This is all the evidence I was able to get before the characters were hidden to remove the evidence. I am not aware of any artist that allowed vouchers on gifted designs and know MANY do not allow them on traded designs unless it was for art/another design. This does not appear to be the case in this instance however. Some do not even have artists listed, so no tos can be followed.

Charging higher prices:

They claim some of the designs have more art, but one user has been told that several times with no proof the extra art existed and designs they've had for over a year are still marked higher with no new art.

This can be seen with the guppicorn they have marked for $30 when the trade log clearly states it was sold for $25 and new art was added.

Claiming characters:

I do not have evidence of this yet, but was told in the PSA General thread that this user has had trouble in the past claiming characters than not paying them off, only to be seen buying new ones. The user is said to be posting themself on this thread soon. This section will be updated when they do.

PayPal practises:

They also ask that all designs be paid for via family and friends.

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Payment Plans:

One user has come forward, though I hear there is more, about Criimi buying characters through payment plans, paying at first then disappearing. The user in question did not want their name brought up out of fear Criimi would drop the payment and they really needed it. They however a week or 2 ago dropped the payment now wanting their money back even though they hadn't paid in months.

This is the user who owns the nebnom allowing us to share their story, and their panic over Criimi suddenly wanting a refund after almost a year.

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This is a user who approached us in their favor awhile ago, at the time we didn't have permission to post their pm due to the nebnom users wishes. Now that we do here it is.

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If you have any of your own stories please come forward to myself or Lotor.

Please be safe out there.


SquidsInTheAttic

I'd like people to know how they pressure people who show interest.  My girl asked about a design, reasonably so as at the time they were put down for $50 when their profile said $30.  There is a claim there is extra art, but none has been uploaded in the two months since.  She showed no interest otherwise in buying , just that she'd keep the design in mind.  They then asked her THREE times if she would buy.  The first she's admitted to me she felt guilty for not replying as she had in fact forgot, but after that there was no need to bring it up again.  What I found especially creepy is that they jumped on her when she made a bulletin and updated her art buying thread when she wanted to get some art to cheer herself up.

Please know these opinions are mine and have nothing to do with Houndour.  She only pointed out the adopt and asked what I thought of it since we share a lot of character worlds.  After I read the chain of comments I offered the advice that they seemed shady and to think about it a bit longer and ask for them to upload the promised art before settling to buy.  It wasn't until later and I'd read the first psa about them I immediately told her not to go through with it.

Here's the line of comments in case they try and delete the thread.

Lotor

SquidsInTheAttic  Seems they got incredibly pissy about this whole ordeal, too.
Kind of admitting to knowing how hard they've been pushing it there.

PetitexCosette

Thank you adachi and SquidsInTheAttic for your contribution to bringing this issue to light. I'm sorry it had to go this way. I hope you are doing well Houndour and am glad you did not get scammed.

SquidsInTheAttic

adachi I was trying to re-find their thread when I was told what they replied.  Thanks for adding it here~  

EDIT - I've been blocked for, I can only assume, posting here as I haven't spoken to them otherwise.

PetitexCosette

SquidsInTheAttic

Thank you so much for posting here and putting that information out there. It seems their skeevy practices never end.

Criimi

 You want the proof for the commissions? You want the private messages that I’ve been going between me and the person I’m commissioning? I have all of the art in anyone interested in her wouldn’t know that. Just because I cross post stuff doesn’t mean I don’t have my reasons. 

N3CR0NUK3

Bagbeans can be sold for any price no matter how obtained, there's no issues with them selling it. Doesn't even have to be vouchers, can be just payments to yourself as far as I remember. Not sure if anything has changed with that since I last checked!

Thank you for the PSA though, seems like they do a ton of horrid practices.

Criimi

 And the reason I’m blocking people is I don’t need everyone monitoring my every  move.  Like you were doing. You’ve made your PSA no stop digging through everything and assuming anything you find is dirt on me

Criimi

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PetitexCosette

Criimi

Can you provide your PayPal statement please that it was indeed 700 And not overcharged like your other designs?

Criimi

 I can get the PayPal statement that it was 500 and I can get the commission proof from VivziePop OR.  You could wait until my commission gets done and then you’ll see because I don’t really want to show private messages between my email and another person’s email. and I can provide proof of the extra 500 pieces of Art I am receiving

Criimi

And if you would actually do research on some of the designs would find that they aren’t priced more

PetitexCosette

Criimi

taking the prices off does not remove the fact that they were priced and you were trying to sell them in your emergency sale thread. Fixing the problem is great but it can't simply be ignored because you got caught. Please provide evidence and black out the users names if you wish and I will close that issue.

Criimi

Majority of the ones that I did that on Are ones that I have bought myself. Ones that I had planned on keeping is not putting into a Trade folder because I was only trying to sell them because I needed money at the time but you don’t seem to care nor understand that

I’ll do all the blocking out myself because I don’t need you following me on to other profiles on other platforms and harassing people who I tried to do trades with or try to buy characters from