A note that they also have the species GalaxyBabies now, however it's too long to fit in the title as well.
Username and account log, as Kizu and Bunni keep changing their names -

Bunni -
TheStevieBoy
HunniBunnii
KiraKiraBunni - current name

Kizu-
KizunaYuiStudios
KizunaYui
きずなゆい

Joint accounts -
ZuzuBuns

More accounts -
MorikaCho - Kizu side account
AzraelVek - Kizu’s husband?
IbrisKael - Kizu side account
Bunnyy - Bunni side/storage account
Kyoryoku_teki_kizu - side account

Prefacing this with please do not go harass anyone over this, I am just gathering info of my experiences here and suggesting, in my opinion, to stay away from this group.
If anyone else has similar poor experiences from this group, or suggestions on how to make this PSA read better, feel free to add them in the  comments or message me.
Additionally, if anyone has proof the owners have fixed any of these happenings I am glad to add that as well.

Please stay on topic.  This PSA is about the actions of the owners and how they run their group, if you have a problem with other people, take that elsewhere, and if you just don’t like part of their group but it is not relevant to being a PSA, please keep that to yourself.
Anything in the comments is not part of my PSA, but may or may not also be applicable.  I will only add definite info into the actual post, no guarantees about anything in the comments.

This obviously isn’t like most of the PSAs on here, this is nearly entirely about my experience of being in the group AermereaHaven/Aermerea-Sanctuary, run by KizunaYui and HunniBunnii (now KiraKiraBunni on this site) (It is possible Kizu has moved accounts to Kyoryoku_teki_kizu, I will update the title to reflect this if it is true)

Clickable text all links to a relevant screenshot.

I had mostly been lurking in their discord and toyhou.se group, as it was a larger group and I just don’t really enjoy those, but still managed to have some bad experiences.  At first I was just fine with everything, but my friend, who I shall refer to as friend A, had wound up having a bad experience and leaving, which is not particularly what this is about, but it made me start doubting whether I’d like to stay or not.  I wound up staying, because I loved the design of the MYO I had.
My other friend, who I shall call friend B, wound up joining so I stayed and we both wound up with a couple characters.  But after a bit I had decided to cut down on CS groups I was in, including this one.  So I messaged Bunnii, to go about retiring my designs/revamping them into other species.  I had mostly kept to MYO characters, because I had already known that official adopts were unable to be removed at all, though depending on the designer some people allow it, despite what their TOS says.  Apparently I had misremembered part of their TOS, which is entirely my fault, but I was greatly disappointed to learn I couldn’t remove my one character, the singular adopt I had because my friend had gifted it to me, which also happened to be pretty much a living dustbunny.  KizunaYui messaged me about it, though pretty much just said what I already knew, that it was impossible to remove the character.  Apparently at some point she was going to send me a nasty message but had someone change it up a bit, so it is possible Kizu was reacting more severely to this but her messages were toned down by the time they were sent to me.

I did not have much trouble leaving, besides what seemed like attempts to have me keep the characters as the species they are instead of revamp them, which I just ignored as I wasn’t interested in keeping them as the species if I was leaving the group.  This just kind of ties together two other happenings.
As I had said at the beginning, friend A had left, although due to reasons more personal for him, not because of this message.  Kizu messaged me about this.

Now I am only bringing this up because after he left, friend B joined and she had been part of the reason I stuck around so long.  But after I had been messaging the owners about getting my characters retired and me leaving, she had asked a question in their discord about what happens when you want to leave but you had bought an adopt.  Instead of answering her question, she got this message.

So this is the second time that Kizu has messaged another random user about someone who was just trying to leave, as neither I nor friend B are admins, we’re just members.  When I had been messaged about friend A leaving, it had made me rather uncomfortable, but I wanted to help my friend make sure everything was clear so I went along and talked with her.  I did, however, tell him they’d messaged me, since it was his right to know.  It would admittedly have been more mature of friend A and I to just mention this made him uncomfortable, but we can’t change how we had reacted to it now.  Similarly, when friend B was messaged about me, she told me, since she’s my friend, and thought I should know.  After she mentions it is not about me Kizu doesn’t mention it again, but it still makes me very uncomfortable knowing she will mention someone in that way to random members.  
She also later messaged friend B with these messages, which really make no sense, seeing as what Kizu is referring to is a mention of the fact you can’t revamp anything but MYOs and customs, which is exactly what their TOS says anyways, which Kizu then confirms but continues to say that it is lies.
A note that the DeviantArt TOS is in fact still up, and this fact was edited into the post she is talking about as soon as this was learned.

Screenshot 1 - screenshot 2 - screnshot 3 (TOS) - screenshot 4

However this still isn’t the end of what concerns me.  Friend B and Kizu discussed friend B’s question, but when friend B mentioned it would suck if there was drama and she wanted to leave and couldn’t take her characters, Kizu said something that concerned me more.

In the one message, Kizu said both that the server has little/no drama incidents and that if they do they immediately hide it.  This just makes me feel like it is very likely more people have had bad experiences here, but the owners try and make it disappear to make it seem like there is nothing wrong with their community, even though it should be people’s right to know what they’re getting into.

Another thing is, friend B’s question got a response in the place she asked it in the first place, which was actually helpful but also somewhat concerning, as it said pretty much you’re just out of luck and out of money if you want to leave even if you’d bought a design, because you can’t take the design out and you don’t get any compensation.


Even in my few interactions, I had managed to have nearly entirely bad ones, I suggest you be wary if you are interested in joining their group, because it’s impossible to tell what all has happened due to them trying to hide any incidents that happen.

An experience with the owners/group from Aspasia -

all screenshots can be found here and are numbered as they posted out of order and i can’t fix it via mobile: i call this the egg incident

i had purchased an egg for a friend (for those unfamiliar it was where you bought an egg and designed a character to match the egg design with the listed traits and rarities). i was told later my friend was blacklisted due to tracing which i understood and that the egg ownership was being figured out. i initially thought it was odd i wasn’t immediately offered ownership considering im the one who paid for it and realistically, if my friend could no longer have it then the person who bought it should be offered it or a refund.
i found out ON MY OWN  that kizu had kept the egg and traded it to hunnibunnii (priorly thestevieboy) and ultimately left the server (yes that was childish of me but i was upset and didnt want to have a confrontation about it at the time). that of course prompted kizu to message me claiming she was told i didnt want it (the next message after that was me sending a  screenshot of my convo with hunnibunnii) where nobody asked me anything.

they ultimately gave me ownership of the egg (i never used it and clearly no longer want it) but it was extremely suspicious and lowkey scammy that they even did that to begin with.


An experience with the owners/group from AsoraamFeire (friend A) -

Addition from MacaroniMayhem - Screenshots of the DMs from Kizuna to me

Aso's message -

So, I type this nervously, since my part in the thing as a whole is rather small. I don't know if I have SS of everything, but a good portion is up on the PSA thread and what I have will be linked as mentioned.

I am Friend A. I will admit that in the situation  V(MacaroniMayhem) mentioned that Kizu messaged them about wasn't something I'm proud of. I reacted rather poorly to something that should have just been a short DM of 'hey, you made me super uncomfortable, so I  don't really want to be in your species anymore.'

EDIT: So, it turns out that I only blocked Kizu's discord. So any mentions of me having blocked her TH, Bunni, or the masterlist TH at the time of my incident are due to my poor memory.

So, we'll start with the situation which was involved in me leaving.

At the time, there was an art fight/secret santa thing coming up for  Aermerea. I hadn't quite understood the rules for it, so I asked in the question channels if you could join without a character.  Now, I was gonna leave it at that. Okay, cool, I can't join and there'll be other chances. I am not comfortable using characters I don't own for art fight-like events because it seems rather unfair. I did not ask to 

A bit later, though IDK if I was home or at work since my job at the time had very odd hours, I got a DM. Okay, so Kizu wanted to show me the mascots? I didn't really ask to see them. Naturally, I was weirded out. Right after her last message, she offered to give me a character. This is what really creeped me out, especially when she had that weird cut-off acknowledging my disinterest. Sadly, I do not have access to the  DM anymore, but she continued to offer me characters. I found that to be rather bribey, since I had outright stated I wasn't interested in it.

I blocked Kizu immediately after and posted this: A regretful post.  I honestly felt like the mentioning of the rules was important at the time. And I had no intent to write a PSA, I just wanted advice. From this point forward I don't think I have any SS. Kizu went to V about me,  though the exchange was quite a bit longer than what I permitted V to  put on this PSA(V, feel free to add those in.) She or hunnibunnii, whom I also blocked, then(or maybe additionally) proceeded to confront me on the PSA thread using the Aermerean masterlist account. After replying, which amounted to me saying that both sides did wrong and suggestions on how all involved could fix the situ, I blocked the masterlist account. I was honestly done with that situation. By this point I didn't even own any MYOs because I gifted them to V.

All was fine and dandy. I  blocked her on all sites we shared that I know of and am active in. I  focused on my job and my own CS group. Joined a lovely ARPG and pretty much forgot all about Aermerea.

That is, until V decided they wanted to leave Aermerea and started having issues because of the one character that wasn't a MYO. I offered to get advice and see if the issues were worth the PSA you see before you. Which lead to the second instance of Kizu messaging someone else about something I posted to the  PSA thread. I'll admit that it would have been a lot better for V to have used a throwaway account to get the advice. I forgot those were a  thing and that I have literally 100+ codes. And I was rather too forthcoming answering anyone in DMs who asked what group I was talking about. I went on quiet mode out of fear of her sending people to harass me for asking for advice or of her even making sock puppets to go after me. As of the moment, I have quiet mode off because honestly, I've already been chased off one site by people like Kizu, I'm not getting chased off another.

Updates on my characters and their masterlist (they've been completely removed) -

Small edit - It's been ~27 days since my designs were approved as retired, and they have not been updated on their masterlist.  This makes me very uncomfortable, however the owners have blocked me so I cannot message them about this and it definitely seems odd, so I am adding it to this. Screenshot of character on list - screenshot of the date
Update to edit - they have now deleted my characters off their masterlist, all except a single one who is finally marked as retired.  I have absolutely no clue why. Screenshot of single bab (the two other characters in there are designed by me but not owned by me) - screenshot of date
Update to edit November 10th - Final character deleted from their masterlist, despite other retired designs simply being marked as retired all of mine have been deleted for no reason apparent to me, and on top of that the masterlist doesn’t seem to have been updated since I posted this PSA, which seems to suggest someone got on their masterlist just to delete my characters, and frankly makes me very uncomfortable.  Screenshot of a search of my username on their masterlist, showing the only two babs I designed who weren't mine - screenshot of date
Update to edit November 12th - Their masterlist on DA has been updated to pretty much say it’s offline for now, and retired designs they hadn’t gotten around to marking as retired were hidden.  This doesn’t explain why this happened a month before they bothered posting that, or why my design that *was* stamped was also removed.  Screenshot of their post - screenshot of date
Nov 13th - Deviantart seems to have crapped out on me, the search function no longer lets me find anything in a gallery.  I have manually looked through the characters to check if the stamped one was really gone, and it really seemed not to be there, however

October 2 2022 - Gave up on checking ages ago but I got pinged on DA a while back and the characters seem to be back up and marked as retired.  

Screenshots from Kizu herself, being nasty to someone - https://sta.sh/224xsoidrrwq

Kizu has posted a vague apology journal - https://www.deviantart.com/kizunayui-studios/journal/Public-Apology-863223342

An experience from former mod of Aermerea cy-chin with Kizuna acting inappropriately with them when they were a teenager - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r2La-BJBRY2SWVFzTJ0KA3fNsFKmTl94dJcgVR51w4Q/edit?usp=sharing

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I just want to remind people that speculation doesn't do any good.

Anyways, I came here to post a reflection on my own part.

Most of the stuff in the PSA is several years old at this point. So, there is a chance she might have changed. I doubt it, but I am a skeptic.

I still think that Kizu handled the situation with me poorly. And, honestly, the way I handled it was bad, too. Frankly, if I could go back and do it again...I think I would have just gifted my MYO away and blocked her and left it at that. Even now I think that being offered an adopt simply because I was passing on an event was beyond weird, but at the end of the day, both of us were grown adults that blew the whole situation out of porportion. I was in the wrong. I left the situation alone until she made it my friends' problem months later. And for the most part, she's been out of my mind. And I hope I'm out of hers. Because looking back, my situation was so goddamn stupid that both parties involved should be embaressed it even happened. I know I am. I'm beyond embaressed about how I handled it. I should never acted how I had. And I'm sorry I did so.

I will not be retracting my evidence because it provides context. But I want people to veiw my evidence in the lens of it being old stuff that honestly was not as big a deal as it was made out of.

By any chance, is Bunni in any way correlated with the user on TH known as "prismaticism", or otherwise on deviantart known as "ellibunny" (previously known as "whatinthehelliot"? This person also uses artfight under the same username. Asking because they were semi-recently involved in stealing my friend's characters from someone who scammed them that all go by very similar names to the ones posted in this PSA. On a semi-related side note, somebody posted on a deviantArt drama hub blog about the user here being called "KiraKiraBunni" being the same person who's been harassing said friend for 2+ years and scammed them and many others, who is directly related to "ellibunny" and whose name just so happens to be Kira. On top of that, they "both" use the words "prisma" and "prismatic" in a lot of their past usernames including their Minecraft, TikTok, and even Discord at a point usernames. If you have any suspicions that the people I've mentioned are correlated with the ones in your PSA, please notify me as I may have information on them doing even more toxic, scummy things than what is listed here.. (It would also help my friend in their legal battle against Kira, as they are an abusive person.) Both people mentioned (who I, at this point, suspect are the same person or often run the same accounts together) also frequently steal designs and sell them, passing them off as their own.

One more thing, I'm also asking because this "Kira" that I know sounds a lot like the one described here and often changes their username and pretends to be other people, etc.....

If these people I mentioned truly do not correlate with this post, please disregard my message or perhaps even delete it - or I can for you, if you'd wish.

I don’t keep up with these users, but as far as I can tell they don’t seem related to the people this PSA is about, looks like their art styles are pretty different.  Sorry I can’t be of help, if you find any info saying they are the same person though, please let me know.

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MacaroniMayhem i will be dming you some more info

Okay

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The server's roles & chats are a constant excessive mess because it enables Kizu to hide chats from users without it being suspicious, then she can delete messages that are unsightly & reopen the chat. Also voice chat requires a role to access so she can remove the role from specific people when she doesn't want them to hear certain gossip. Honestly it's why people have trouble finding proof for things they claim. Take that as you will as this is a throwaway account, even block me to delete this comment if you find it inappropriate for the PSA (I'm never logging into this account again idc if you do), but keep it in mind next time something iffy / suspicious happens in the server or the next "server revamp" that happens never seems to end.

I'm immensely glad to see this PSA up, and thankful I never got involved with the species - it seems like I truly dodged a bullet this time.

It's honestly baffling how many people have stepped up to share their bad experiences so far, one would think a species owner / mod team would try to better themselves after a fuck up or two, but it seems like they never even tried in the first place. .-.

So I just wanna start off I actually really liked this group.

I didn't plan on leaving, and someone encouraged  me to apply as staff when an opening occured and... I actually was going to. But now I can't, even if I still wanted to, I would not be allowed to. Due to my involvement with this PSA, I was politely asked to leave by my favorite admin.

Stev never said anything to me

And kizu only messaged me once to tell me how she was offended by my actions, which upset me, because I really didn't want to upset anyone, but I felt it was my duty to share with my friend she was being talked about, not for her benefit, or the benefit of the group or species, just seemingly gossip, or, my conspiracy theory making self, was attempting to manipulate me into saying something useful.

I can neither deny nor disprove this, but how i viewed it, how it made me and my friend feel, it just did not seem right for a owner to discuss with a lowly member her anger and anxiety towards another member trying to leave and "stirring the pot" and "spreading lies"

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so despite me being forewarned of Kizu's behavior, I chose to assume she was a better person now, and just forgive her of any previous mishaps, and just judge the group and species by itself.

I didn't really wind up liking either owner too much.

Stev was very quiet, so I did not get to know them well. But they seemed sweet enough.

Kizu was the more talkative one, which was cool, but whenever she talked to me, I felt uncomfortable. She could be confusing, and just how she talked to me gave me weird/bad vibes.

Poly-Peptide was actually the person who really made me feel at home in the species. She explained quite a bit, and she gifted me 2 characters so I could participate in the winter event. When she left, she gave me all of her petals and said nothing, it was days before I actually realized she was gone, and i cried.

I asked kizu (and perhaps this wasn't appropriate, I'm still learning how all this works) if there was a reason Poly left in such a hurry, and Kizu just gave me a really vague and unhelpful answer. But I know not to pry on such things and left it.

I attained a new favorite admin who became my friend, and was doing a wonderful job of keeping everything running smoothly. But due to people using this post to spread lies and rumors, she will no longer speak to me.

So to be honest, I had a rather okay experience in the group

But that may have been simply because Kizu appeared to really like me for some reason.


I thank everyone here for their bravery to stand up and speak the truth.

It's hard to tell the truth, and even harder to hear it sometimes, but it's the right thing to do.

However I ask you do not use this to smear Kizu and stev more than they 'deserve' as false rumors, lie spreading, it not only hurts kizu and stev, but it hurts the integrity of this post and all these true stories of people really being hurt and taken advantage of.


And since I'm sure you'll see this one way or another

I am sorry (kizu and bun) for all the pain this has caused you and the group, I didn't want all of this to be true, but actions cause reactions, and I have no power over hiding your previous actions, and I am always going to be the most loyal to my friend.

And guys, I appreciate you defending kizu, but being salty and rude isn't really the way to go ^^

Now I’m gonna cry TT^TT I’m glad that I could provide even just a little bit of a positive atmosphere while I was there. 

I hope you are doing well, Kitty <3 <3 <3

I am doing great actually, and no, don't cry, cuz then I'll cry X'D

Cuz of you i was the richest member in group currency until shortly before I left

And I was able to spoil people with petals and tickets >w< I really was sad when you left, and I'm so sorry you felt so unhappy on staff, and i hope you feel much better now.

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... as someone from the outside looking in on this, I think this is very much important to bring up. This CS owner is being scummy and suspicious. ESPECIALLY with the egg incident.

also, bringing up "real life issues" in the face of someone else being bothered by something is rather rude. If you don't agree with their post, find a constructive way to ask questions rather than telling them to "move on". Telling them to leave when kizu physically won't let them without losing things or harrassing them is also childish.

Please refrain from making comments simply meant to mock, I don’t mind people commenting who come with legitimate reasons any of this may be incorrect, but if you continue to comment in this manner I’ll have to block you.

I feel like posting on this thread will bite me in the ass later but all the stuff that happened between me and these two people were from so long ago and I haven't done anything wrong so here we go LAUGHS

TL;DR I was once cofounder of VaniWisps and BloomPuffs back in 2018 and here's what I felt.

Backstory: 2015, I was really good close friends with Stev. Kizu wasn't part of the picture at this time.

I can't really remember what order things happened in bc I have shitty sense of time, but I was originally the cofounder of VaniWisps and also designed the original mascot twin (alongside stev's twin) for BloomPuffs (https://toyhou.se/1941365.elyse). I was also cofounder for Bloompuffs. I developed around half or more of the original VaniWisp lore, idk how much its changed so far and I don't care to look, but I remember that Stev brought on a new admin, Kizu. Note: at the time she was simply admin, but quickly got promoted to cofounder.

At the time I was a senior highschool student. Extremely academically competitive, extracurriculars every day after school, the whole honors student shebang. Basically, I had very little free time. By then I had grown a lot, seen a lot, understood people a lot more after listening to a whole bunch of people vent to me day after day after day. 2016-2018 was also around the time my art skills improved explosively. This is important, and I'll explain later.

Kizu was super active. Stev and I were delighted that someone so passionate had join the mod team. Everything was fine and dandy...but then I started to get this feeling that she liked to be in control, that she clearly looked down on me bc I wasn't as active as her or because I was younger. Mind you, I was like 17 at the time, and kizu and stev are whole grown-ass adults so I felt like I couldn't say anything so I kept it to myself. At some point, I got fed up with being scared, of being pushed to the side, and not knowing wtf was happening in the very species I was moderating for bc Stev and Kizu moved to private VCs rather than using the mod vcs when discussing topics. I remember one day msging stev about it all and holy shit I found my DMs from 2018 HAHAH

It's a goddamn wall of text, and even now I'm hesitating to post it publically cause there's a lot of really 100% honest, heart-to-heart talk I had with stev. TL;DR, back in July I had mentioned to stev that I felt alienated from the mod team. Once upon a time, Kizu, Stev, and I were super close, got along amazingly well, but that changed after some drama went down with a few members of our server and Kizu. I knew Kizu was a blunt person, Stev knew kizu was a blunt person. I don't really have issues with blunt people bc I much rather know the truth than have things be sugar-coated for me. However, BECAUSE she was blunt, we decided it'd probably be best if I was the designated disciplinary mod to deal with issues and bans etc cause I knew how to talk to people clean up misunderstandings efficiently. Therefore, I was the one responsible for cleaning up whatever drama was going on at the time. It was related to Kizu's past moderating experiences in a different CS and for some reason one of my messages was taken out of context and shown to kizu, which made it look like I was on their side rather than Kizu's. From that point onward, the mod team dynamic changed and I felt like an outsider.

It's a helpless feeling, watching a friend you've been really close friends for years become even better friends with a newcomer who essentially takes over your entire role. I am for fault for a lot of it, since I was inactive, but that doesn't mean I didn't feel betrayed. At some point, it felt like Kizu didn't want me to get involved with anything before and I accurately remember her saying once "BloomPuffs practically belongs to me xD". I was getting a lot of weird vibes from this point onwards, like feeling the need to tiptoe around Kizu when talking to her, her freaking out at my suggestions and opinions or at other members of the mod team, etc. She's INCREDIBLY productive. No one can deny that, but she was taking it to a point of making BloomPuffs feel like it was a BUSINESS rather than just a fun CS. I was worried that Stev would only be the founder for show, while Kizu controlled everything behind the scenes. In a business sense, she would be a wonderful partner, but in the long run? Even I could tell everything was falling apart. The mod team was falling apart, the members were falling apart, meanwhile I could practically FEEL the drama that would be coming over the horizon.

However, despite it all and all the clashes I had with Kizu, I had this strange feeling that Kizu or maybe stev was trying to keep me around for some reason. Maybe it was because I was such close friends with Stev, but the older I get and the more I learn about the world, the more I feel like I was being used. Used for my maturity, used for the way I could effectively handle drama and disagreements, used because I knew how to code with HTML and CSS, and used because my art was of a higher quality than anyone else on the mod team. I know this makes me sound really stuck up and pretentious, but from 2016-2018 my skills grew exponentially while other's gradually increased. I never explicitly stated it, and I dislike saying it, but I was aware and everyone else was also aware that I was able to make more from commissions, that I was masochist enough to spend dozens of hours on one HQ design. Even now, stating this leaves a bad taste in my mouth gross.

At the end of my message to stev, I stated that I was thinking of resigning from being cofounder bc the longer I stayed, the more I started to hate the BloomPuffs species and I really didn't want to hate it. There was also the fact that I had graduated in 2018 and would be starting university soon. With all of that combined, and with the feeling that I was essentially useless sticking around, I eventually resigned on Aug 7th, 2018. I gave back all of the god-tier/legendary-tier MYO slots I had, kept my bloompuffs at the time, and resigned from cofounder while staying in the community.

Random side note, Stev totally coulda said this with no ulterior motives, but after a short convo of me explaining that I wanted to resign, Stev asked if I was still willing to do the group profile coding on DA. At the time I already had thoughts of "ah...maybe I'm being used" so I had absolutely no intentions of spending my time and energy building a custom code for a species that I left.

At one point, I gave all my bloompuffs (save for one) back to Stev. Some were gifted, like Elyse, the mascot, others were traded back for art. I only kept one BloomPuff, one of my own designs, Orion https://toyhou.se/1737455.orion-wip- , bc I still, to this day, love his design. I still kept getting bad vibes from Aermerea overall, and I had a sneaking suspicion that a bomb would drop some day, so I pretty much gave away almost all of the designs that I got from either stev or kizu. There's also the fact that I recently started to world build and I'm actively trying to prune all my OCs except my mains. I now only have two designs left from them.

2019, Stev mentioned that he wanted to revamp VaniWisps which was very much a dead species. I was still cofounder, but I asked to step down from there too. I handed over all 7 pages of lore that I wrote for Vaniwisps and officially parted ways with the CS.

I was still good friends with Stev. It was a lil more strained bc I was actively trying to separate myself, not necessarily from Stev, but from that entire community in general, but every so often Stev would Dm me with updates and whatnot. Throughout early 2019, Stev contacted me twice to be a guest designer for his species. I said no, he insisted, and when I said no again Stev didn't pursue it after that. Reminder that I felt like I was only there for clout. Totally could just be me skewing the narrative, idk. Stev was never ever rude to me, not even once, so I don't really hold any ill will towards him.

December, 2019, the drama around kizu and stev blew up. Stev msged me about it, and then warned me that some people I was distantly friends with mightve been involved. I appreciated the heads up, but I wasn't really concerned cause I had cut ties with practically everyone cause I was tired of the venting and drama. Stev once again mentioned that he'd like me to return to Aermera one day, even as a guest designer or artist and I turned him down. Again, bad vibes go brrr, but still no ill will towards Stev. This would happen fairly often. Stev would randomly bring up WIPs of drawings that I had worked on as gifts for him or as designs for one of the various CS he owned. At this point, my red flags were REALLY flying and I knew I wanted absolutely nothing to do with any of his or Kizu's CS anymore at that point.

July, 2020, that brief drama about galaxybabies blew up regarding payment between the original creator -> the person they sold it to -> selling to aermera. Stev dmed me about it, asking for me a professional opinion, to which I just replied that as someone who wasn't a lawyer, nor saw what exactly was going on with my own two eyes, that I couldn't really give him an opinion about it. It felt strange that someone who was ~10 years older than me was coming to me for legal advice. It was also during this same conversation that I mentioned that I'd be removing Orion from the BloomPuff species.

Since then, Stev has not messaged me and, at this point, I own none of Stev/Kizu's species designs.

I don't have Kizu friended on Discord. I don't believe we even friended each other in the first place, so idk if we have any DMs. Even now, whenever I see Kizu's name involved with a species I stay very, very far away from it. I now have a much healthier relationship with a variety of people that I can confidently call friends and my life has been so so peaceful ever since I cut ties with almost everyone I knew from 2015-2018. Reading this PSA just brought back flashbacks of the same anxieties and the same red flag behaviour I observed from Kizu ESPECIALLY from that last link about Kizu trying to push someone out of their cofounder position. The sort of entitlement that came with thinking you're the only person working hard on a species and the way she'd mention how she was homeless for a while and shared pics of her kids with us. I'm sure she's had an incredibly difficult life and I absolutely wont invalidate that, but this kinda behaviour just....I don't need it in my life.

Fuck why is this a wall.

Anywho, I will say, I'm extremely lucky and blessed not to be diagnosed with depression or anxiety or any other mental health issue. If I did have one, I don't think I'd be in the greatest state right now. 2016-2019 were some of the most stressful periods of time in my life and half of it was from highschool and the other half was from all this online drama. In 2019 when I finally cut ties, it was like a breath of fresh air. I started anew, made friends while streaming on twitch, joined an RP group and made so many more wonderful friends there too, met an incredible group of people in Uni that I'd literally die for. I relearned about my own value as a person. I learned that a friendship was not a friendship if I was the only one giving. I learned to trust myself more and trust my own instincts, rather than brushing it under the rug. And I also learned to stop taking shit and to leave if I didn't like something. I'm doing fucking fantastic now!! Aside from being buried under midterms and assignments, but what else is new LAUGHS

Even now I have trust issues when it comes to art and online. I'd like to credit that vastly because of how much free art I drew for me so-called "friends" from 2016-2019. I was asked to do art trades that seemed unfair in my eyes, so I'd awkwardly laugh it off. Every time I was reminded of a WIP of a gift for a friend that I hadn't finished, I felt guilty. Why should I feel guilty when it's a gift?? But yeah, anywho, enough from me.

These are just my experiences from an extremely personal viewpoint. Kizu and stev if you see this (which you most definitely will bc I know how paranoid you guys are) lemme know if you want these two characters back. I don't want them and I can't incorporate them into the world I'm building bc the aesthetics don't match

https://toyhou.se/1668876.hibikase https://toyhou.se/1723191.kitsumai-tba-

Sometimes i wonder if there can just stop being drama and both party just stopping and frickin moving on. And let people do whatever they want and join whatever they want.

Man am I glad to see this PSA up lmao. It's been a long time and I can't remember exactly all the details but I remember being very annoyed and uncomfortable at how they ran their server. So I decided to leave, but it was also for a similar reason as you- wanted to cut down on CS because I simply couldn't be active in it and also lost interest in the species. So I messaged HunniBunnii for a refund on a custom I had ordered since I was thinking of leaving, they had taken a long time already (I think perharps 3 months?) and I didn't wanna wait any further, I just wanted to leave. So long story short I ended up having to ask for the refund about 3 times until they got annoyed and finally refunded me lol. I waited months, gosh. Then I decided to finally void- or excuse me, "retire" my design, to which I believe they got petty over and never updated the masterlist entry either so. Yeah sorry friend, they won't ever update yours I believe, it's been almost a year and they never updated mine :')

Also another example of kizu being petty about people leaving their species is that when galaxy babies got transferred to them my friend decided to void his and they immediately messaged him asking if it was something personal and asking "did I do something wrong to you" or something along those lines, just because he had also voided his bloompuffs a long time ago cause he just. Wasn't using it and wasn't interested in the species anymore

Edit: I want to be more precise on the dates and such with the annoying refund issue with Hunni, I still have the DM- I paid for the custom the 3rd of april 2019, then messaged them for an update on June 30th, since I noticed they were putting out adopts and not working on their customs. They told me they forgot- and asked me to give em a deadline, which I did. And they missed it. By the end of August I messaged them again for a refund, they told me it was alright but I'd have to wait til october-november, which I was fine with. Then october came, nothing. And then november, nothing either. Messaged them again, they told me in a few weeks. So I waited. Until I waited TOO long, it was now Feb 2020, til I asked again and they finally gave in. I don't think I was annoying, not like I asked everyday, if anything I was scared to be a bother and that's why I took months to message them. So I had waited approx 4 months on the custom, which isn't too bad, I'm all good for people taking their time, but when they start working on more stuff instead it's just a little hmm :) amd waited an additional 5 months for the refund. 5 months for a- mind you- small refund. I get that life issues are a thing and all but idk man if I owe something to someone even if I'm in a pinch I'll figure it out in a month max- They were making money with eggs, myos and adopts, they could have spared a little to refund me earlier since it was such a small amount

Say my name coward. I have the note if you need more proof. I never expressed anger or hate to them but kizu immediately thought I did. When I ask them to clarify I never got a response 

I'M SORRY LISTEN I DIDN'T WANNA SAY IT IN CASE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE MENTIONED LMAO

Yeah, Kizu seems to take things way too personally? I was told that when my first incident happened she pretty much prepared to war. Over someone being uncomfy with the rules and with not wanting a free character. I didn't even mention the species until she or Hunni said something on the general PSA thread.


I'm sorry you and Noct also had to experience Kizu's bs.

Gosh that's awful, but I'm glad to see so many others had issues with them and it wasn't just me, even though I'd consider my issues minor compared to others

I mean, same with mine. It was a small thing. And while I admit that the way I handled the situ I had was poor,  as someone who owns their own CS, how Kizu handled the situ was appalling.

Yeah just. Wow. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with them much and my biggest issue was with Hunni rather than kizu (which I just edited in my post) but still wasn't pleasant 

I have never interacted with this species beyond owning a Bloompuff I was traded by a friend to do with what I wanted.  We'd both heard bad things about the group long before that PSA was posted and wanted nothing to do with it so I ended up putting the Bloompuff right onto this account.

I'm really glad I avoided that group altogether, especially after reading all this.

I liked the galaxy baby species but I had a rather off experience with both owners so I voided my characters as fast as possible really. Its a shame too 

I am also very, very glad to see this PSA up - I've had bad experiences myself, as have two friends of mine, though I haven't had the time or energy to try to compile anything. My experiences were much smaller than those other people have had, but it was in a similar vein of not being allowed to 'retire' characters I wanted nothing to do with anymore.

I truly hope Kizu and Bunni both learn and grow sooner rather than later.

Oh wow I never knew all this. Honestly I may just give away all my aermerea characters except my few MYO characters and see if I can redesign the MYOs

You do not understand how happy I am to see this posted. I and a plethora of other have all have had terrible experiences at the hands KizunaYui and HunniBunnii. I remember most of the listed incidences as I was a member of staff, and I myself had at some points fed into the behavior or been an avenue. Many former staff members have felt themselves to be in state of manipulation where they felt the narration these two fed was the “right and just” one but they were not. I could go on about my own personal experiences to add here but honestly it is emotionally draining to go back and collect and remember everything.

Please stay away from this group and save yourself the headache. 

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tbh it's not a group worth joining even if the owners weren't creepy tyrants. the "species" are pretty much just sparkly kemonomimis with extremely limited palettes & traits. total waste of time & money, i'm glad i left before getting anything approved. 

Only one like that are the galaxy babies btw. Fyi

really? because i can't tell their species apart.

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exactly omg thank you, finally someone else sees it lmfao

Then you should have a good look at the other species because they are quite different xD

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Thanks for letting me know, I'll update the name in the title

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Ah, I may add that, but Bunnii’s is just their new username here and Kizuna’s is just her user but in Japanese characters.

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Oh gosh, that’s really unfortunate your names are so similar, sorry for scaring you with that title :p

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Retracting my comment now, dunno how to delete it and I just wanna be away from drama now

I'm not addressing anything else in this PSA as this is just out of curiosity but what on Earth made you think it was a good decision to tell an artist to lower their prices, unprompted?
I am pretty sure the general commission etiquette is, if you don't enjoy a person's art style or they're not affordable, don't commission them, no?

I never went to them in a harsh way and was never trying to force them to lower their prices. It's just, their prices was $100 from what I recall and they were just starting out if I remember (this was well over a year ago now) If it'd been $20 i'd have understood but over $100 for a solo character or something, that was drawn on a piece of paper, people just wouldn't go for it you know? Not a lot of people just have $100 to throw on art sadly xD So I suggested if they lowered them, they may get a lot more commissions and make more money that way. It was never me not liking their art, it was me just trying to help and be friendly towards another artist to which I DID apologise and they did accept that apology

While I understand your intent and I'm sure you had the best interest at heart, unless the artist is actively complaining about not getting customers/asking for advice, I don't believe people often find it good to have someone tell them their art is not good enough for what they're charging. I usually think of the situation as like,,, If you go to Walmart and they're charging 20 bucks for a some item and you don't think it's worth it, you don't tell them to lower the prices, you just don't buy it and that's the end of it. I am glad it's been resolved peacefully and friendly, though! ^^

with all due respect from what i’m getting from this experience is that all of it could have been avoided if you hadn’t gone to the artist to suggest they lower their prices? it didn’t sound like you were going to do business with them, so why say anything at all? art is a luxury, and artists already underprice themselves as it is- i would be quite upset if someone came up out of the blue to suggest that i lower my prices, good intentions or not. it’s like going up to a fancy accessory shop and asking them to lower their prices just because you can’t afford something;;

Please read the reply I made to the other user, I'm not gonna address this anymore xD

I also had problems, especially with Kizu uhm.. I wasn't going to write anything up about it because stuff like this causes me severe panic attacks~ I don't wish to share screenshots of the tea between me and Kizu because I don't really want the trauma of it again~ and I would also like to say, Stevie came to me, admitting what they did was wrong~ (That screenshot I will share since, it basically backs up what i'm about to say): https://sta.sh/016uzzh38zbu

In short what happened was, someone on the server was getting stalked (Of which I had no clue), so Kizu DM'd me asking why I hadn't done anything, and it all came so sudden I was unsure what Kizu was talking about, since I wasn't informed of the ins and outs as the person being stalked wasn't direct on their issues towards us~ (I blanked their name in the sorry message since it's not important).. Kizu was being very rude towards me in DM's, basically ending with a "see what happens" threat~ and a "You should be ashamed", please note she didn't let me gather any information, she just yelled and ran.. I asked several times for her to stop and to talk to me with decency~ but of course she didn't..

And this sounds pity party of me but: I have severe anxiety, and the messages Kizu sent still make me shake.. I was terrified quite honestly, and i'm kind of ashamed to admit that but i'm a very soft person and I don't handle threats and rudeness very well.. She said I didn't care about the species or people on my server and that's not true AT all! If I'd known what was going on, i'd of shut it down SO fast, but the person in question didn't make it clear.. If i'd known I really would have done my best to make this person comfortable, as I explained to Stevie~ :- https://sta.sh/07oamz0eb3y

I'm VERY much about dealing with conflicts in the softest way I can, since high tensity conflicts can cause me to pass out (I believe it's an anxiety problem?) so I tent to stay quiet and not bite back~ I of course, and rightly so, went to friends in order to confide! I was told about Stevie CS hopping to take down oppositional CS (which I would like to state: I do not know how true this is~ it's all hearsay right now), at the time I of course saw that as a possible fact, since, why else would Kizu threaten the stability of my species? I was told what Kizu was capable of so I was sick to my stomach with worry~ but the more I thought on it, the more I knew I would be alright because I know I didn't do anything wrong~

In the end I took the apology, stayed "friends" with Stevie, I wouldn't say friends more.. another person on my list if anything, since we was never friends in a logical sense~ I left it as soft as I could, to avoid any conflict and anymore stress as I couldn't deal with anymore...

It was brought up again awhile later, because my 'friend' posted publicly, the conversation I had with them, where we was talking about how terrible they are, no I don't regret talking about that because that's absolutely how I felt, also, when I wrote this rant to my friend, Stevie had not yet brought me Kizu's apology, as time stamps prove, but I wont send that since it was all sorted again, Stevie left "friendship" status with me (which, it was never really that I don't think) and it went quiet again~

Whew okay i'm shaking, i'm so sorry if this is vague, i'm really not about spilling tea or gossiping but.. it feels freeing to talk about it since I kept it quiet for quite some time..

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So, I type this nervously, since my part in the thing as a whole is rather small. I don't know if I have SS of everything, but a good portion is up on the PSA thread and what I have will be linked as mentioned.

I am Friend A. I will admit that in the situation V(MacaroniMayhem) mentioned that Kizu messaged them about wasn't something I'm proud of. I reacted rather poorly to something that should have just been a short DM of 'hey, you made me super uncomfortable, so I don't really want to be in your species anymore.'

EDIT: So, it turns out that I only blocked Kizu's discord. So any mentions of me having blocked her TH, Bunni, or the masterlist TH at the time of my incident are due to my poor memory.

So, we'll start with the situation which was involved in me leaving.

At the time, there was an art fight/secret santa thing coming up for Aermerea. I hadn't quite understood the rules for it, so I asked in the question channels if you could join without a character. Now, I was gonna leave it at that. Okay, cool, I can't join and there'll be other chances. I am not comfortable using characters I don't own for art fight-like events because it seems rather unfair. I did not ask to 

A bit later, though IDK if I was home or at work since my job at the time had very odd hours, I got a DM. Okay, so Kizu wanted to show me the mascots? I didn't really ask to see them. Naturally, I was weirded out. Right after her last message, she offered to give me a character. This is what really creeped me out, especially when she had that weird cut-off acknowledging my disinterest. Sadly, I do not have access to the DM anymore, but she continued to offer me characters. I found that to be rather bribey, since I had outright stated I wasn't interested in it.

I blocked Kizu immediately after and posted this: A regretful post. I honestly felt like the mentioning of the rules was important at the time. And I had no intent to write a PSA, I just wanted advice. From this point forward I don't think I have any SS. Kizu went to V about me, though the exchange was quite a bit longer than what I permitted V to put on this PSA(V, feel free to add those in.) She or hunnibunnii, whom I also blocked, then(or maybe additionally) proceeded to confront me on the PSA thread using the Aermerean masterlist account. After replying, which amounted to me saying that both sides did wrong and suggestions on how all involved could fix the situ, I blocked the masterlist account. I was honestly done with that situation. By this point I didn't even own any MYOs because I gifted them to V.

All was fine and dandy. I blocked her on all sites we shared that I know of and am active in. I focused on my job and my own CS group. Joined a lovely ARPG and pretty much forgot all about Aermerea.

That is, until V decided they wanted to leave Aermerea and started having issues because of the one character that wasn't a MYO. I offered to get advice and see if the issues were worth the PSA you see before you. Which lead to the second instance of Kizu messaging someone else about something I posted to the PSA thread. I'll admit that it would have been a lot better for V to have used a throwaway account to get the advice. I forgot those were a thing and that I have literally 100+ codes. And I was rather too forthcoming answering anyone in DMs who asked what group I was talking about. I went on quiet mode out of fear of her sending people to harass me for asking for advice or of her even making sock puppets to go after me. As of the moment, I have quiet mode off because honestly, I've already been chasedoff one site by people like Kizu, I'm not getting chased off another.

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Kizu did actually offer to pay me back for the character I wasn't allowed to take, but it seemed like a one time offer thing, it had originally been bought with in-group currency anyways, and that particular character had been a gift from my friend so I just gifted it back to her instead of trying to bother with all of that and not be able to have the character anyways.  It certainly seems in any other circumstance with an adopt you'd just be outta luck.

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Oh man, that sucks.  If you do have any proof left I’d be glad to add it in the PSA, while I, personally, don’t think you’re lying or anything I’m only putting in experiences there is proof/evidence of.

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Alright

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