@remivalism Everything you just said has already been refuted in my reply to Nereiix, two posts above yours. Thanks for replying~
Hi! I'm going to try and make this quick, because I have a lot to say.
I've noticed recently that, for some reason, the staff has changed accented letters into their plain counterparts. When I made a tab for my character Lúcio Souza, instead the link came up as; http://toyhou.se/641007.lucio-souza/1171148.lucy, even though his main page link of 'l-cio-souza' is perfectly serviceable.
I wanted to see if this was only for tabs, so I tested it with another of my characters, César Desrochers, and sure enough, it became cesar-desrochers. This would be all fine and dandy if it weren't for the fact that these are not their names. Accents aren't just lines you put on a name to make a character seem fancier, it has a significant change on a word or name. For example, you could send your Spanish friend a sweet "Prospero año y felicidad" that you learnt from a cool christmas song. But that accent is just too hard, right? So Prospero ano y felicidad is fine.
Except you just made a weird sexual advance on your friend by wishing them to have a prosperous anus. You can see more of those disasters here.
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, if it's just a consequence of moving to a new domain, but it's something I have to keep. This happens to me over and over and over again, on gaiaonline, on weheartit, on tumblr, on discord, on my own damn writing documents because the font won't support it! Imagine if every time someone put up a character named Kaitlyn, that the site changed it to 'Caitlin' because it was 'easier'. It's just as annoying and insulting, and the fact that many names using diacritics are 'ethnic' just makes it all the worse.
Lúcio is not the same name as Lucio, César is not the same name as Cesar, Aýnabat, Noël and François are not Aynabat, Noel and Francois. And l-cio, for coding purposes, is just fine.
Thanks for listening.
EDIT: As I've mentioned in one of my replies, URLs can actually support diacritics! This is shown on the wonderful site Polyvore;
https://www.polyvore.com/l%C3%BAcio_souza_second_festival/set?id=211731852
As you can see, when it is copy pasted into a document such as this one, you can see the code that allows diacritics when it is clicked on. Now that I know this is possible, I can't really see a reason to be forcing me to spell my characters names incorrectly.
@remivalism I don't understand, since that is exactly what you were doing? Alright then, let me try again.
First off, I think you saying 'most people don't examine urls that closely' is a complete misrepresentation of why this is important. The fact that you see names different from yours being misspelled, and you think that in passing, it's fine. But just like every other casual bigotry (and yes, this is bigotry, more on that later) if it's seen as being casual, it's seen as being harmless. This gives off the impression that people's names aren't worth being respected.
Secondly, yes, you do read URLs to get information about the page. Toyhou.se leads me to toyhouse, facebook.com leads me to facebook. This is just communication. Lucio should not lead you to Lúcio. Lúcio should lead to Lúcio.
Third, I don't see your problem with the coding, since as you said, if l%C3%BAcio is used, then it's the right name when I click on it. If I click on http://toyhou.se/641007.lucio-souza/1171148.lucy, then it's the wrong name. This is also just communication, and proves that coding can support it, so there's no 'logical' slant to it.
And yes, it is disrespecting foreign people. I live in Australia, the same country this site is based in. Australia, Britain and America all have places that ban diacritics on birth certificates for the express purpose of discouraging foreigners from naming their children what they want. More information here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/11/california-birth-certifcates-accents-marks
Ha! I accidentally pressed enter too early. Now, what would happen if the site changed classically American names to Australian names? If you tried to enter a character named Sally, and the site automatically changed it to Shirley? You'd be confused and annoyed, wouldn't you? Just like I am when I repeatedly try to enter my characters César Desrochers and Noah Hawa Savio Santos Júnior.
By the way, please don't mock~ my~ amplifiers~. I wasn't trying to belittle you, it's just the way I accent my sentences. Just like the way I accent my characters names. Thanks for reading!
I do think the birth certificate issue is a valid one in on itself but I think its a bit of a slippery slope to apply it to web/coding. As not properly encoding these letters can lead to phishing and hacking. Whether or not the old site was endangered to it because of that I am unsure. Better safe than sorry.
That said. I do have a solution for you in accords to how TH coding does work. Its more or less the same reason why I can not put raw code into this post and expect it to display properly (there was an earlier bug where character names with symbols in it such as <, ~, unicodes would not display properly and show up as jumbled mess. And I do not mean the Url I mean the character page itself would become an error. I don't believe the site cant support it to say the least) :
In your characers name field put: L & u a c u t e ; cio (No spaces, but I must add them as it wouldn't display the code to you properly. As with most sites where users can input custom coding.)
Your characters name will display properly on their page and gallery, the Url will have the code instead of "u" only downside thing is that your characters name will display as L & u a c u t e ; cio on the side bar but I take that would be fine if l%C3%BAcio being displayed as your example is fine.
Heres a list of accented letters (copy paste from the Entity Name) : https://www.w3schools.com/charsets/ref_html_8859.asp
@Venomouswolf Ohhh thank you... I tested it on my César and it looks really messy (no fault of yours!!) but if I really can't do anything else then this was really helpful thank you so much!!! I really have to go hard or go home on this accent thing so anything is better than Cesar, but I still wish I didn't have to sacrifice the sidebar lol...
I saw on the newspaper article too that updating their systems to include diacritics would increase chances of identity theft although I have no idea how... but like I said they can still just change it back to the old code of c-sar. All the new system does is make me wish I'd entered all my characters earlier.
Thank you so much again~
You are welcome!
And I am unsure if they can just change back to the old code and have it work as it did before.. coding is quite the finicky beast, I'm sure no ill intentions were at hand :x!
Nonstop Thank you! I think you have some really really good points that I'm about to agree with you on, but I don't know what this "The URL itself doesn't matter" thing is. I think this is going to be a little hard to word, sorry!! But the lucio url exists no matter what I copy paste it as. If I from now on exclusively share Lúcio's tab page (using tab page for the example because it's the one that uses lucio instead of l-cio) using your .heybuddy url then... that's only what it is. It's the URL that I copy and paste. But if people want to get onto Lúcio's tab any other way then the lucio URL exists no matter what I do! It's not the fact of whether it actually matters in the coding scheme of things, it's the fact that the site itself is forcing an incorrect identity onto him. I know URLs can be not-human-readable, but this one is. And if it is readable, than it should be written correctly...
...or at least with the code that represents the letter! Like the lovely Venomouswolf just showed me, if I use the code then it shows correctly in the name, and gives the URL a more... URL-y vibe. But the sidebar still shows up garbled. Do you think I could avoid most of the URL fiasco if I change my request to fix the sidebar instead? I still think they should have some sort of support for the URL itself, but this might be the way to fix it personally.
If so, I still think it's unfair that I have to do so many reacharounds to be able to do something that everybody else doesn't even have to worry about. And I'm still annoyed that they just didn't keep it the old way, but this is just my #feelings.
Thank you again for replying <3
LemonTea I do believe that fixing the sidebar is more possible honestly (but don't take my word.) ... as I take it probably pulls the characters name the same way as the URL does? + I am unsure if there is a way for the URL to support it, I can't link it as the thread owner deleted the thread about the bug, but essentially. The page would crash with symbols. (Sure you can add it on through Nonstops examples yourself when you link it.. but I feel it was an issue with the site creating the url itself)
Since it displays properly in the gallery and your characters title though, I feel its more feasible of a fix. I would submit a ticket and screenshots about that one.
But if I remember correctly, links atm are also having issues with coding but they are on it (or redoing it all together? Either way we are in Beta afterall XD).
As far as the update goes, I do believe the pros outweighs the cons by the end of the day as more features are possible. The site is still in beta, and some suggestions for the old site.... was not possible essentially and quite limiting in many other aspects. But by the end of the day though, you can't please everyone.
@Venomouswolf You're right... I remember seeing people wanting special characters like in the names like ASCII emojis etc so they could spruce up the names. Thing is, I really do think this is far more essential. It's a way bigger problem that people with names from the top ten nameberry.com list really can't understand. Like DeShawnda and Tyrone never getting hired because employers think their names 'don't give off the right image' or the Vietnamese exchange student who can't say her name out loud because kids find the name 'Mydung' to be the peak of comedy.
I know not every little thing can be fixed right now but it's such a small fix for such a big issue. And I'm wondering if it's harder than it seems, can't they tell me why? And I can't really just wait until they get around to it, because it's hindering my ability to use the site! I can't upload a whole bunch of my characters, I can't update my OC Antonella Souza to include her middle name 'Hipólito', and I can't remake any characters that I can do more stuff with since the tab update.
Sorry for going so emo on you but you've been really nice!! Thank you so much for helping me out and listening to my ~woes~ lol.
LemonTea As a person with a "foreign" sounding name I can relate, but I don't think these real life issues really apply to the site as the problem here is just how the sites set up, not a xenophobic thing, and may very well be out of the owners control here.
I think appearances may be deceiving here? It may look like a small fix but when it comes to coding... and for the URL thing you really can't just tell the site code to do what you want and make it happen (as much as I wish that was true). I do believe it is harder than what it seems as Minsu did mention it definitely was on a the coding half of the site.. that might not even be fixable unfortunately. So I'm not sure if there really is much more explanation than... the site can't seem to handle that and that she'd check with lulu if possible.. etcetc. if not then well.. nope. If do do manage to find a work-around in the end, that would be great! But if it simple isn't possible than well, its better to put time into other efforts.
But at the very least, these letters can be handle what I've linked so do defiantly make use of that! Hopefully the sidebar display can be updated to reflect the accents ^^! Do send a ticket for that, they do check those first.
Nonstop I understand!! I'll probably submit a ticket sometime when I know how to word it properly.
And you're a really lovely person, but sometimes the issue is seeing it as a non-issue. Invalidating the problem invalidates the feelings, and is basically telling someone "It doesn't matter because it doesn't matter to me." And this is the type of problem that is a culmination of a lot of larger things, even if this, specifically, feels small.
And I probably was one of the only ones who noticed it because I can't even mention my favourite OC without them spelling it wrong, even after I tell them that they can call him Lucy or L'ucio since that's how you type his name on a Spanish keyboard. Same with stuff like No:el for Noël. And that's why I'm fine with l-cio or no-l because that's translating the same thing into URL code. Lucio and Noel isn't >:I
@Venomouswolf I think my understanding comes from the fact that I've pretty much only studied HTML and CSS, and I haven't gotten very far either lol. In the stuff that I've done all the coding is very... sectioned off from each other so if I want to change a single part like the URLs I can do that without affecting anything else. If that changes the more complex it gets that'd be super super annoying... I just hope I can know if there's a fix for either the URL or the sidebar if I submit a ticket.
Thank you both, you've been really wonderful and helpful!! I also realise that some stuff I said might have been disrespecting you, like assuming you don't know anything about being a #minority. All I do when I talk about this subject is explain explain explain lol, so I expand on things more than necessary, I think.