After what happened in that drama being delt by the backlash and LV herself, it only fuel hate between both Christians and LGBT. You have my support. Thank you for clarifying and hope you'll heal from your own personal matters

I've definitely made the mistake of giving a second chance to someone I shouldn't or commissioning that same person. It happens unfortunately. Mistakes happen because we're human. People change as well. I gave a second chance to someone I really didn't get along with in the past and did some pretty not nice things and now we're friends. She's nice and very helpful and we both learned a lot from what happened. She's also christian and used to be kinda homophobic but she's not anymore. Sadly that's not always the ending and sometimes people you've been friends with for years didn't actually care about you like you thought they did. That happened to me last December. I know first hand how much you care about lgbtq+ people. Your so supportive of people and their stories and their art. You always make sure your calling people by the name or pronoun they go by. Your a very kind person with boundaries like anyone else. The fact that someone looked into you and lupis's facebooks like this 4 years after everything went down is insane. Deluded. Creepy. I'm saying this as someone that Lupis wouldn't like.

People talk about standing up for the trans commuity and going hogwild with all kinds on unfounded claims all over a single commission you regret. While targeting an LGBTQ+ indigenous person. Who is very supportive of the LGBTQ+ community. But you forgive one person that you were friends with for YEARS so you're evil. I still love you and am always up for hanging out bestie

Hey! I’m just a random stranger on the internet that happened to stumble upon the link to this bulletin. I used to follow LV when I was in high school and I enjoyed their OCs and animations. One of my friends even owned some designs by them a long while ago and had their style inspired by LV. It was pretty surprising to see them fall off so fast just for refusing to.. draw a pride flag… but I can see why people were upset. Definitely shitty but it kind of reminded me of that notorious news story that went around about the Christian-owned bakery refusing to bake a pride-themed(?) cake for a same sex couple. I guess it’s a hot take, but if an artist (or any business for that matter) refuses to make or draw something for you for similar reasons, just warn others not to support them, block/unfollow them and move on? There are hundreds if not thousands of other artists who are willing to create work with LGBT+ imagery and such. Going as far as doxxing, harassing, stalking, etc. reeks of psychopathic behavior and chronically online freaks. 

Considering LV’s background and who they surround themselves with, it doesn’t surprise me. It’s been years since that’s happened though so I hope they’ve changed, but they definitely DO NOT deserve getting the treatment at the level you described. There’s a clear line between “I don’t think people should support this artist so just unfollow or block them” vs “this person deserves to have their life ruined forever and they should never feel safe wherever they go”. 

I hope things get better for you since I know what it’s like to be falsely accused of shit you didn’t do, or apologized for something in the past that wasn’t the end of the world — only for it to be dragged up again by vindictive people.

I also hate the mindset of “if someone owns a design by X who was outed as bad, then they’re also bad too and condoning X’s beliefs/behavior/etc.” I mean I can understand why people might look at you funny if you continue to support and commission them, but it’s mature of you to step away and not do that anymore. Owning their designs doesn’t equate to the same thing, though. Someone else said it in another comment, but believe owning said designs can mean giving them a better home. 

Anyway rant over 🤓☝🏼Stay safe out there.

I am going to be frank and state that I am disappointed on the interactions and commissioning of Lup. As a trans person myself, any net gain to transphobic individuals can be dangerous. However, I do believe what you are saying as well. I have no issues with getting characters from problematic people, as the designs can be separated from the artist without any positive gain to that person. Hell, even I enjoy some of Lup's designs, which makes what happened with her so much worse to me! However, I highly suggest that you no longer support her until a formal statement is made. Based on what you've said, she has no intention on changing her views. Views that are becoming increasingly dangerous to people like me. It is best to give her nothing at all, and let her disappear once more. If an apology is made, it won't promise it would be taken with open arms as a lot of damage was done. I understand that she may live in a household that shares those views, and if she is, I hope she is able to move out eventually! Such situations are suffocating, and maybe if she leaves it, she would be able to escape the bigoted view her parents' have.

That being said, I do still have concerns to things that are also being brought up,  but were not covered here. A user posted a bulletin with evidence that you may have potentially made knock-offs of previously sold designs, made by them. While colours, shapes, and patterns cannot be copyrighted on their own, too many similarities can lead to potential issues. I do think it needs to be addressed, as it is now being shared around, and is adding to the pile. 

The last thing I'll bring up is the incest thing.  I for one am completely okay with dark subjects being brought up in media. Yes, even in young adult/teen media so long as it is done with care. Such things can help make younger people aware of problems, and what to look out for! While my own memory is fuzzy (it's been a while since I've read your books), it does sound that the situation was shown as bad/negative there. That is fine, and everyone seems to agree there. However,  some individuals have stated that you made animations shipping these characters, which starts to get into muddy territory.  Again, if it is portrayed as bad or negative,  that is fine. Shipping these relationships is generally frowned upon, and if animations seem to be shipping the characters, that could be why users are saying that. 

Due to this whole drama, I will be stepping back from your content for the time being. I do hope this leads to a nothing burger of a situation, but I have been burned far too many times by other content creators. That being said,  DOXXing and harassing users is not okay. I wasn't aware of the level that certain users were throwing Lup's way. If a user is problematic, it is best to unfollow and block them! The less interaction the better, and it will not get you into legal trouble due to DOXXing/etc (you being general). Just let problematic people fade out, with general warnings saying "Hey! This person isn't someone you want to support and here's why [insert evidence here]!"

In summary, I am disappointed in the continued interaction with Lupus. I have concerns regarding parts of the incest relationship allegations, and I have concerns regarding a potential design theft allegation.

I do hope the best for you, and all involved. I apologize that this was a bit long and rambly, it is late <3

I give you support honestly, you have always appeared as the kind of person that would never associate themselves with such behaviours, but either way, It's also the first post about this whole situation that I see made with a decent amount of thought and clarity, leaving aside the fact it came from a doubtful callout.

Your point of view, for now, has perhaps been one of the clearest and most genuine that I have read in some time, not because the other opinions were not reliable, but because those probably limited themselves to scratching the surface of the situation. Also, the terms of service and rules for how to use certain characters have dropped since Lupis disappeared, which though doesn't mean people don't act with morality. In my opinion, whoever attacked you did so in bad faith, not much to attack you directly, but probably to bring the light back to Lupis' bad actions, and just then drag you into the mess.

I will then agree with you when saying that this continuous fury on the issue leads to total nothingness. It's right, sometimes people like Lupis have to wake up, understand that what they are doing causes more pain than goodness, and I won't ever deny that when Lupis had the opportunity to make amends she wasn't able to go further and understand her actions, or maybe she didn't want to, thought it was not worth it, who knows . I'll just say that, years ago, I was sent a video, perhaps sent it to a server or she sent it herself, I don't remember, saying that God had saved her from a depressive period. Attached was this video of her in a room with a man of faith, don't know if it actually was a priest, (there were other people too, I don't recall why this event was being recorded) who told her something, I don't remember it, in short, she said that in that moment she understood, she was healed, found God. I'm not here to write treatises on the morality of religion, but it doesn't occur to me to give such harmful blaming (hence > deserve of stalking, doxxing, etc) after many years to a person who, in my opinion, is completely blinded. This is my take though, which has nothing to do with your post, mostly, I wanted to state that I stand with you Teelia and your point of clarity and transparency with all the matter, I am sorry though how you have been dragged int this madness, genuely... makes little sense.

So many people are quick to declare a 'THIS IS X SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE IN THE WRONG/RIGHT' when in reality, stuff is just messy. Things are not always black and white nor are they clear-cut.

I witnessed the fallout of LV from a distance and it's completely understandable that many people were/are hurt by what she did and said. However, the moment things went from 'hey guys, this is the lowdown of this creator: please be aware before supporting them' to 'let's endlessly stalk and harass this person' is where I dropped off. I will never agree with their views and actions, but she's also just a drop in the bucket compared to actual people who hold power along with their views (ie lawmakers).

I don't you should have to apologize for having enjoyed reconnecting with them. You don't us owe anything; that's your choice. They were your friend and sometimes you just want to bask in the nostalgia of when things were a lot simpler. And in a way, I understand wanting to pay her back for the OCs because that's still her time and effort that you had used and sometime sit becomes a habit of wanting to return that courtesy back (in this case, financial support).

All the same, I hope people learn to relax a bit and leave you alone. What you really deserve is a break.

Thank you for clarifying. As someone who grew up in the homophobic south, but is now proudly trans, I took a huge issue with Lupis. But I see where you're coming from, with wondering how she's doing now. I had bad friends a few years ago, and despite all that, I still think about how they're doing now. There's nothing wrong with that. However, as long as you don't financially support her, there should be no issue. Don't condone her actions, and don't harass her. That should be that. But also, if you want to talk to her, that's your business, and not the communities. Sure, if you're supporting her actions and giving her money, that's something they can be annoyed about. But just talking and catching up with a childhood friend? That's your business, and people should stay out of that. If you want to try and change her opinion, that's your thing to do, and no one else can stop you. This is just my opinion tho, so take it with a grain of salt.

Sure, she may not change. But she's still a human, deserving of our respect. If you don't like her, just don't interact with her. We told her how we thought she was wrong, and that's all we can do. I'm not going to say much on the doxxing, because that was too far. Some people went too far. Not all of us. 

As for the incest joke, I didn't like that personally. But you've evolved on it, and I can't blame you for stuff you did as a kid, of course. We all did dumb shit. I can attest that some of my earlier creations were definitely... not good, and were influenced by the media and world around me. Maybe yours were too (I don't know you personally to say that for sure). But you've grown as a person, and you see they were wrong. You apologized, and obviously don't condone these actions. I applaud you, for some people can't even do that. There's not much else you can do.

Thank you for clarifying once again, and for listening to my essay.

-Cobra421

personally my stance on this after reading both sides is that everyone here made mistakes that can be fixed.

im someone who is... very unfortunately a result of "inbreeding"? im not sure if theres another term for that for people but my parents are first cousins and my mums parents are also first cousins (and its just a running thing in the family it seems) it kinda left me with a lot of health problems and now i struggle with basic things because of it. i feel i would very much have a right to be upset at the stuff in your books but you seemed to have cleared it up pretty well and regret doing it so i dont take issue with it. especially considering youve been working on it for a very long time, while you probably should never have put it in i do understand that its inevitable to avoid putting something dumb in something youve been making since you were a literal child. as long as youre taking steps to rectify this i think its forgivable.

as for the lup stuff im 50/50 on it. i understand what youre saying and fully agree, but i do get people being upset that you financially supported her even after the fact. but it seems to have been in a moment of weakness almost? i know you guys used to be friends so i can understand that too.

i dont believe people should be cancelling you over all of this, and i dont think people should be digging around to see whos still in contact with lup or not because that feels almost... obsessive? its probably not healthy.

i believe you have seen where you went wrong and i can only hope the other side do as well because its not good for anyone involved

Full acknowledgement that i'm an internet stranger who doesn't know either of you personally (and therefore my word doesn't hold much weight here, obviously.), but I honestly don't think you have anything to apologize for. People in extreme religious environments and high-control groups need support that comes from outside those groups, otherwise they're likely to fall further down the pipeline. It was kind of you to reach out to her, and extremely creepy of the same mob that came after her to pry into a private friendship to continue dragging yall. I don't condone what LV did, obviously- she caused some very real hurt to other people that went beyond just the pride flag thing, but there isn't any reason to pursue someone who's already been thoroughly deplatformed so viciously, and the people trying to ruin her relationships like this are just going to push her further into what appears to be a rigid ideology. I don't mean to come off as parasocial or overly familiar here- obviously I don't know either of you, just saw twitter blowing up this past week and felt weird that nobody had commented on this w similar sentiments. Wishing you both well. 

"I sold them without the money going back to lupis" right after you said that you did, for a fact, give lupis money to draw your ocs. 

In this post you're literally just excusing her actions because she was raised in a Christian household. You never even clarified in your statement that she has changed her beliefs and is trying to get better. It just sounds like an excuse.

Listen. I don't condone the harassment of Lup. That is the LAST thing I want. If she's changed I'm happy to at least hear her out. But if you can't even tell me she's changed her transphobic beliefs...why fianically support her?

I read the full bulletin and I have to say that this was very thoroughly thought out and explained compared to a lot of "explanation" posts I see nowadays. I also agree with the comment that states it's probably best for people to read the full thing rather than just the summary. But in the end that's the reader's choice and not something we can control I guess. The full thing just shines a better light on the entire situation and emotions involved as a whole. At least you put the summary at the bottom though, rather than the top, which I feel helps a bit - since being at the top is a lot more tempting to just read and leave whereas skimming through to find the summary means something might catch your eye and you read more after all.

Moving on - I can tell that you come from a place of genuine thoughts and emotion in this situation and meant no harm. I wholeheartedly agree with your point of view, as someone who has been in at least similar situations with friends. I don't think that mine got this extreme, luckily, but nonetheless. With the timeframe that had passed since the incident it makes complete sense that you would be willing to attempt to reach back out to them. Especially with being former friends before the drama went down, rather than just a random online identity you had chatted with behind screens. Knowing someone personally as a friend is an entirely different story. The longer that you have known them, the harder it is to let go as well. Especially with whatever emotions are tied to whatever memories that you share together. I personally am somebody who has a bad habit of clinging to memories of the past a little too hard, leaving me in a state of longing and really missing former friends and the times that we had shared. I think that it’s sadly too easy for people on the internet to forget that their idols are people too. And as such - being people - losing friendships / connections can leave a lasting wound. You made it very clear in your post that you were just as shocked by the realization of their behavior, did not support it, attempted to help guide them on a better path, and, after cutting ties for a while first, reaching out to them again was more so like a check-in rather than dismissing their past actions all together. This whole friendship thing for one, already strikes me as much more mature than a lot of people would have handled the situation. I've heard far too many stories of people disliking their friends' behavior and just dropping them straight up. I’ve had friends dropped by their own friends simply due to a game they disliked even. In my opinion, that almost feels like it wasn't a real friendship then? If people can just drop everything flat out, leaving an entire human being and their experiences together behind and feel no guilt at all? True friends should at least Attempt to help guide their misunderstanding friend, as you did.

Continuing on with my agreement - People change. Absolutely. Opinions change, likes and dislikes change, personality changes, so forth. Everything about a person can be affected by their surroundings. The family that is raising them and how, the friends that they surround themselves with, the media that they intake (shows, movies, people they follow online, news articles, so forth), and so on. While people can make a choice to be their own person of course, that doesn't just dismiss whatever effects that years of those surroundings had on them. It's a process. It can be daunting and confusing. It can especially be scary when your mistakes seem to be held over your head by others. I have personally seen these types of drastic changes in people myself, and I can confirm that they don't just happen overnight either. Much like figuring out your sexuality (LBGT+) for example, you don't just suddenly know it right away and stick to it for your entire life. It takes time to learn about all the possibilities, test how you feel using some of those options, and so forth. I’ve heard that the process never even truly ends. It’s a constant process of discovery throughout life. Just as an quick example: My, now High School Freshman, older little brother went through a terrible phase of just having absolutely no sympathy or care for anyone at all. He was extremely judgmental, rude unprovoked, bitter all the time, and so forth. He was practically a bully that hated the whole world and tore down everything and everyone around him. You weren't allowed to enjoy innocent things (shows, figurines, etc.) around him, be vulnerable emotionally, or anything. He made me absolutely hate ever leaving my room. Because I knew what was waiting for me in the house was just going to be him belittling / degrading me about any possible thing he could, even if I didn't even whisper a word in his direction to provoke it. Just absolutely horrible to live around and a huge cause of many breakdowns of mine if I'm being fully honest here. But now going into being a High School Freshman, there was a major turn in everything about him. It was a process that, for me, felt like it dragged on for an agonizing eternity to get to our current point. But now that we are here, it is such a relief. He practically did a complete flip. He realized what a jerk he had been and he decided that he hated that. It wasn't who he wanted to be. So he took many steps to better himself as a human being and now is someone that I can hang out with again and have fun and share stories with and not just exist in avoidance of but actually try to bond with again. He tries to help people whenever he can, speaks respectfully, and so forth. He won't shy away from his own beliefs, he stands up for what he believes in, but he's far more open to outside opinions and calm conversations for just about anything now. If somebody can change THAT much - then somebody who misunderstood something like in this situation can certainly change for the better as well! It's not impossible. It just takes time, effort, and proper resources.

As for the harassment - again I absolutely agree that these things get way out of hand. Aside from even just seeing a beware post about practically breathing at this point, the way that these things get stretched forever and the target dragged through the mud afterward too is just crazy! Not only does it completely bypass / ignore the idea that people can actually Learn from their mistakes and Change for the better, but it also makes things worse! People become afraid to express themselves because it can be taken wrong and BOOM - beware and being attacked and never left alone, so forth. So it possibly scares off innocent, overthinking, good people from the internet. As well as making it extremely difficult for someone actually at fault to "prove" they've changed - to the point that I see many people sink into depressive episodes and just give up entirely and remove themselves from online. It seems like everyone has collectively forgotten the idea of "innocent until proven guilty." They jump to guilty until proven innocent instead. They believe all the negativity thrown around and accusations and whatever collection of crap they find on people. And then become so wrapped up in that negativity and such that they no longer are open minded enough to fully See or Believe the evidence of innocence. Making it so that it often feels like there really isn't Any way to provide enough "proof" of innocence and/or change. And continuing off this concept but returning to the topic at hand - the reactions that people have often do not match the accusations. Something minor could happen, like someone being tired and typing a text that wasn't worded the best and then misunderstood. And within minutes there's bewares on them, the person being unfollowed and blocked, literal doxxing and death threats, so forth. I've seen it happen, and the text can be something so stupidly innocent it's not even funny. Not hate speech, no slurs, nothing that would genuinely be a public concern or problem. And yet people jump to conclusions, spring to overreact, and so forth. In this person's case I do not know the full extent of the situation. I feel like I have absolutely heard their username around but I have no idea if I follow them anywhere or not to be honest. I might and not even realize it. But this post was the first that I've heard of any drama with them. And at least from the way it sounds in this post - none of the extreme reactions were necessary. Practically stalking them in real life to photograph or video them as callouts of spotting them around for example I'm pretty sure is, if not completely, borderline illegal. (Not sure how paparazzi make it their job.) Exposing their real name, locations, and so forth most definitely Is illegal. Those are the kinds of things that should be kept to Very Very serious cases. Triggering topic cases. People that belong in jail. Not some person who was raised in an environment where they misunderstood something and therefore spoke poorly of it, but could easily be redirected / taught / corrected and therefore change for the better. Having these kinds of things haunting them wherever they go, being hung over their head like an anvil, etc. is Not the way to go about this. Pressure and force very often leads to things getting worse. It's okay when applied carefully in the right situations. But sadly people don't seem to understand the limit very well and overstep into extreme measures as already discussed above. There have absolutely been situations where the reactions of people being so harsh and never ending lead to a different outcome than what likely would have happened in a more understanding and guiding environment. It’s not to say that the person in the wrong isn’t wrong, just that we all make mistakes. Oftentimes we’ve even made the same mistakes as other people. Instead of hating them for it, help them learn from it like you most likely did. Absolutely nobody is perfect. Perfection is a myth that cannot be reached. Making mistakes proves that we are human. What matters is the Outcome of those mistakes.

And just a slight addition here, but as somebody who is LGBT+ and has LGBT+ friends who are all pretty much in agreement here with my statement (we’ve had conversations about all this before) - the drama overall of bashing people for not supporting LGBT+ has just gotten way out of hand. If we want equality then that means - equality. Being treated like normal human beings / not being looked at or treated differently just because of what you identify as or are attracted to (as long as it's not jail material obviously.) It Doesn't mean that if someone misunderstands or phrases something unintentionally wrong or so forth that everybody collectively attacks them. Nobody should have to walk on eggshells around us and become a victim of harassment unprovoked. It seems like in a lot of places I look, the community has become the harassers instead now. Not in a way of "standing up for themselves" but in a way that is genuinely making things Worse. Causing people to continue to misunderstand and hate the community. We are supposed to be trying to teach. If we don't want to be attacked for no reason then stop Attacking for no reason? And taking things too far? I've watched very respectful allies try to have a normal, civilized conversation with someone who was LGBT+ like a normal person (the equality we are supposedly fighting for) and get screamed at and belittled and huffed out on for the smallest of innocent things. When the member could have simply, calmly, expressed the way that they interpreted what the person meant and they could confirm or deny if that's what was meant and the misunderstanding is done with - return to a nice conversation. When we paint ourselves as unpleasant and prone to snapping at every little thing, that hurts our reputation. It makes people dislike us more and it makes the allies less likely to remain as allies. Equality does not mean 100% agreement and entitlement. That's not equality anymore, that's special treatment. We don't need a spotlight. We aren't trying to stand out we're trying to find our place among everyone else in unison / peace. I personally do not think that 100% everybody on the planet needs to Agree with LGBT+ and/or be forced to celebrate it everywhere. It is possible to disagree with something and still be respectful and mature and civil about it regardless, instead of trying to cause fights. So long as people are not causing Harm they are fine. Such as this situation in question. From my understanding of this post, they refused to draw an LGBT+ flag (first off artists are free to refuse to draw whatever they want and do not need to provide an explanation) and then made a bad remark about said flag / LGBT+. These are words. They may have hurt our feelings but in the end - again - this person was misguided and can change. And they were not going out physically a$$ault1ng people or tearing down flags they saw around town or something as drastic like a blatant hate crime.

Now, I see that at the end of the post you said "it's been years and it's time to just understand we're not getting a public apology from her." So that line alone probably voids my "they can change for the better" in this particular case. The change is still very possible if they want it. But this gives the impression to me that they may have been stuck in their ways or given up and aren't making the effort to better themselves after all. But that does Not change how it applies to the situation in the sense of Before that was realized. Everybody jumped to the idea that they were a terrible person and went to those extremes of doxxing and stalking and so forth without even giving their target the proper chance to learn and grow if they had wanted to. They took things way out of hand and went to unneeded measures as reactions rather than trying to civilly teach. And That is a major problem that needs to be fixed. Not just for this situation alone but for future ones with other people as well - because it's bound to happen. Misunderstandings, misphrases, so forth just happen. It's unavoidable.

Closing Up - I do apologize for making this comment as long as a post itself. But I had a lot of thoughts in response to this post and figured it's only fair to share and hopefully help ease some tension you might be feeling. I'm sorry if there are any typos or if I derailed from the topics too much and hopefully I phrased everything myself well enough to not be misunderstood and attacked myself haha. I am LGBT+ and have LGBT+ friends. And thus am very much on the community's side. However, I have seen parts of the community take things way out of hand. And we have to speak up about it or it may never change. So I don't regret anything I said here, I had a moment of bravery (I struggle with anxiety), but I also am willing to clarify anything if needed! One clarification right off the bat is that I tend to use “you” to refer to whatever audience is reading the comment since I know it’s public and more than one person will read it. So I hope that’s clear when I switch to “you” as in Teelia. In the end I'm honestly just so glad that your post was so thorough and genuine and agreeable. I've never regretted supporting you, Teelia. And I hope that your post helps to clear things up for as many people as possible to reduce the weight of misunderstanding around you. It's a tough situation to be in. I imagine it's even more so when grieving on top of that. I wish you and your loved ones well. <3

- Ayudria Amelia / Vaporeon Valley (VValley)

You need to see the difference between the normal people not supporting Lupis (via boosting or financially, etc.) because they don't want to support an lgbtq-phobe and the loud minority who would do awful things like dox or harass her. To not differentiate us and lump us together for the actions of a few makes us and our act of protest for the lgbtq+ community out as ridiculous or crazy.

Lupisvulpes has caused harm to the lgbtq+ community, especially being such a huge figure online, and she needs to face repercussions for her actions. Those repercussions being losing her support. I believe she's capable of seeing her wrongs and mending things meaningfully, not by posting a video preaching the bible, and she has not done that yet. You're causing harm by supporting her via chatting with and commissioning her. Having a large following such as yours in the furry animation community makes this especially dangerous because your support like the support you're showing here and your blowing off of the people choosing not to support Lup is reaching many eyes. You're setting a bad and dangerous example right now and you need to recognize that.

I've loved watching your videos for years and I wanted to comment because I genuinely want to see positive change from you. Thank you for listening.

[Hi! This is a testament from Beatrice [me], who's a real incest and SA survivor. English isn't my main language so forgive me efhberhg]

I really don't see the fuss? Maybe it's just me though,,, It's a piece of fiction, and it's obvious that the creator doesn't support it.
Warriors, like you mentioned below is an example of this. I have the first series and am happy I haven't read more lmo. I have several OCs from it but have made them apart of my original story. [which already has its first book out.]

I know you don't mean any harm. I know it's not on purpose, so I think people might actually need to read it in order to understand that there's no harm done.
[sorry if this doesn't make sense. It's late and I'm tired.]

I think you should properly address the incest that is part of your story. This is a real world issue, not something you can just ROFL at, people (and animals!)  are born with SERIOUS life altering defects because of it. It’s media, fiction, but your stance on it is very unclear when you seem to take it as a joke? I’m an outsider here, I’m not here to get into drama, i think your original response to the other claims was well thought through and seems very sincere, but inbreeding is a very serious issue and needs to be taken a lot more seriously than what you did. I’m not gonna lie, I don’t think you’re for incest. But it really needs to be clearer that you take people who struggle with the side effects of that seriously by making it clear that you are against it.

Advocating support here! Yeah man the internet goes WAAAY to far with stuff, especially with false accusations and I’ve seen it like, a few times already. People can go way to far with cancel culture, like there are real people out there doing vial stuff and then you have people dogpiling on someone (probably a young teen or kid) because someone made a false claim about something like come on man. and even when it’s actually true you don’t just dox and stalk them like a creep. I didnt know about that stuff with the Lupis stuff until now great lord.

I’ve known you for I think three years now and you’re definitely not a transphobe. Even if i haven’t known you as long as everyone else I can clearly tell you’re not a transphobe. I’m not even sure how owning a lupis design equals being a transphobe like what? How does that make any sense? There’s so many people with lupis designs and yet they’re not being called a transphobe it makes zero sense. Just because you own a design from a controversial person doesn’t mean your also like them it’s common sense.

And with all the pro-shipping and characters stuff it’s so clear no one supports it, even in the books none of the characters support it. People like this are probably the reason why writers are so scared to add really bad characters in their stories. Heck I have a character in my main story that is physically and emotionally abusive, and a character that is an abusive and toxic partner to someone and do I support them? Hell no! I want to round house kick them in the face and stomp on them. I absolutely hate them! Just because I have horrific characters doesn’t mean I support them. I don’t even support shade with some of his actions and he’s a sona.

Honestly I didn't think owning designs or art from previous "bad ppl" was such a bad thing. I always thought of it as "well, this previous owner/artist turned out to be bad, might as well give this design/art a better life" or similar. I do the same with some fanart and characters that were previously owned by my ex friends or previous bad ppl in my life (especially since I have a hard time departing myself from gifts given to me).

I see SO MANY other ppl owning Lupis designs, ocs, and fanart and I never saw them get harassed, so I kinda feel like this particular drama is cuz you're so popular and such a big name in the art community. I could be wrong tho, that's just a small theory I have.

I'm merely a fan of your work so none of this is my business, but I do hope things get better for you, and I hope the whole Lupis drama actually dies down. Yes, Lupis made a mistake and maybe said some distasteful things about the trans community, but if they (she?) Have shown growth and apologized for it, I can't be mad about that. Shit man, I was a complete asshole back in 2020 and now I'm much better and grew out of whatever bullshit mindset I used to be in.

Personally I won't support them (her?) either way since I hate being dragged into drama or being caught in the crossfire, and I definitely don't want to support someone who would refuse to change (if that's the case), but there's seriously no need to fuckinh DOXX???? That's straight up illegal???? Tf??? Do that to pedophiles who got mountains of illegal content not some young artist who refused to draw a flag 💀

Man, I had no clue people were going to those lengths to hurt her. I fully agree. While someone is allowed to be upset or frustrated, they should never bring danger and harm towards someone. It doesn’t make them better than the person they’re mad at.

And I’m really sorry to hear people have been calling you out for owning and selling her designs. And I’m so sorry for your losses. /gen 

I hope everything will start to clear up soon

Do you have a place where one could learn more about the feral porn accusations about that person? Like do they still draw it? 😭 It's my first time hearing about it, i can see they have a nsfw acc but i dont have access to it and i'd kinda like to confirm those accusations for myself at least

I'm going to vouch for you Teelia, I understood why you have your designs and I knew you weren't giving Lupis money. I've literally seen you rant about her and being really upset over it. Also... When I went on the eclipse trip it was the first time I was openly non-binary to a group of people irl and you were respectful the whole time to me. 

I know for a fact that you're not transphobic, that whole thread is just some weird conspiracy theory because the person was mad at you because they didn't like your boundaries. 

Also the pro-shipping claims are hilarious. Did you know if your character does a thing you CONDONE said thing??? Even if none of the other characters approve and is shown to be a BAD THING in the story??? ALL STORIES MUST BE 100% WHOLESOME AND PURE WITH NO QUESTIONABLE OR PROBLEMATIC ACTIONS TAKEN BY ANY OF THE CHARACTERS!!! :)

Hey that's cool and all but you gonna also explain or apology for the incest shit in your books or?