!!PLEASE READ PSA!!!

Posted 15 days, 2 hours ago by SnowDraws

⚠️ warning on qxtten ⚠️ 

EDIT: Spookie has rewritten the PSA to sound clearer and to the point on why this is important/scammy. All the evidence to the claims she makes in the rewrite can be found in the original psa (scroll to bottom)

Her defenses to making this public have already been stated. Before you comment, please read the entirety of the summary. Spookie appreciates all of the support she's been getting from this!

REWRITTEN PSA:

Hello, Im going to say that all of this was written in haste (because of the worry cotten would have already sold the mascots by the end of the day) so there are lots of things left unclarified which has led to a lot of miscommunication. I was also very emotional during writing so I can seem how it felt unprofessionaI. I wish I could rewrite it but I want to keep the OG up, so heres a shorter summary.😞 I also have some things I said where my intentions were accidentally mistranslated . So heres just a TDLR of why I made this PSA in the first place.


Cotten and me decided on mascots to use for our business, and with their negligence it led me to believe they had no passion for the project. We hosted a DTIYS event for the mascots and when the business split, they uploaded the artworks to the toyhouse without crediting any of the artists. My request for them to take my artwork down was rejected and I was blocked afterwards. 

They decided to sell the mascots behind my back, even if they were still directly tied to the business. THAT is my main concern. I'm not saying I deserve ownership or get to control what they do with them, but since we agreed to use the mascots for our partnered business I should have the right to know if they're being put up for sale.

Why does this matter? Because what the new owners do with the characters can easily be taken as something to do with potopurifruits. If used wrongly, it could bring harm to my public image. Especially since I haven't rebranded, and the old mascots' faces are still up on our page.

All DTIYS artwork made for the characters was not and should never be considered fan art. These entries were specifically made to win a prize in our contest, so they should only be considered business-related pieces. Since we cut ties, It is fully reasonable to have them taken down. 

No artists who participated were made aware that these artworks were being uploaded to the toyhouse. They were also not made aware their submissions would be included as artwork for the package of purchasing the character, nor would it be in the new owner's possession.

The DTIYS art was also not properly described as contest art, which led us to believe cotten treated them as personal pieces. This can easily be deceptive because the people purchasing will think that the price they're being sold at is worth it because of the high content of artwork.

Not properly crediting is breaking Toyhouse's TOS,. This is shown later on in the outdated PSA.

I contacted cotten to tell them that all the artwork should be taken down and for them to wait for me to rebrand before selling them. To this, they said they'd delete the art if it came to new owners and that they would give me a month. They said they would sell them in may. Once they came up with these terms they blocked me and didn't give me a chance to respond--never intending to receive a proper conclusion from me.

With everyone I know blocked, cotten added an AB to each mascot without us realizing. This breached the one month agreement they decided upon and I wasn't even aware.

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The other details I added were to inform of how their previous behaviors show this has not been and never once was justified. Being dismissive and unaccountable has only made this situation worse. I only wish to inform people that they're being deceptive with the characters' content and that they lied about giving me time to rebrand.

I dont want the mascots back, and I dont have the intention of asking for shared ownership. I know these characters are not mine to make decisions on once they are no longer my mascots. Currently though-- they can be considered as such, so it does involve me to an extent. 

I will take this PSA down if they meet with these terms:

1. Remove ALL business artwork since they will no longer be mascots. They won't have anything to do with the business!! Including all the artwork I've made for them.

2. Give me time to rebrand before selling the characters and take them off the listings. Once I'm ready, she can do whatever she wants.

3. Cancel any current offers/bids.

I would like for cotten to contact me personally about this, since this is a discussion between us and should have been from the start. If they continue to run away from this issue and/or sell the characters, the PSA will stay up.



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EDIT: THANK U EVERYONE FOR SUPPORT!! ive sent spookie ur comments for them to respond to :]]  SPOOKIE SAYS YALL R GREAT AND SHE REALLY APPRECIATES YOU GUYS!!! Also snow's personal thanks to the person who helped us with all this, i will keep their identity hidden cause i dont wanna involve them in this mess :]

DEFENSES: Snow: I've been reading the forum responses and someone claimed this to be a 'publicized personal issue' and stated that we 'ban evaded'. I have a few points to defend ourselves, because obviously they haven't read this bulletin properly. 

1. This is not a personal issue, because it involves artists, followers, and interested buyers.

2. Cotten has infact violated toyhouse tos. (Read for more info on that)

3. The issue had NOT been resolved at the time of the psa. (There was no resolution made because Spookie was unable to add any input because of the block)

4. "I don't know how you could assume..." You only have outsider's insight into this, so I understand why it might seem obvious to ask for permission at first. But in Spookie's situation, things were more complicated than meets the eye because of other attributing factors and their history. 

We don't know if the issue has or has not been solved as we can only obtain updates through other people. So to your claim of ban evasion, incorrect. None of us are going out of our way to attempt to stalk or harass Cotten on this matter.

+ The psa was to inform people of the situation and not out of spite or to cause controversy.  :


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ORIGINA PSA: Please read the rewritten version above before moving onto this one

I have a couple points to make to those of you defending cotten. First off, Cotten blocks when confronted, this is partially why we resorted to a psa. I would like to make it very clear that I, Snow, was the one who wanted and convinced spookie to do this at first and the decision was finalized after Cotten's series of actions. When we first tried to contact cotten, both Woop(spookies bf) and Spookie were blocked immediately by cotten without being given time to respond. It was after this I come in and attempt to contact cotten in hopes of settling this all properly after seeing afew private offers that has persumably taken place on cotten's bulletin(2nd point). We didn't want the characters sold before Spookie could rebrand and this was the request I was asked to send to Cotten over discord(msg is below). Cotten's response is attached below, and frankly, it is childish and irrelevant to the issue we were trying to address. Despite saying Cotten would give Spookie a month to rebrand(more context below), she immediately put the mascots up for AB and I was promptly blocked on all platforms after reciving cotten's response without being given an opportunity to respond myself. This is simply rude, toxic, and immature especially since I know Cotten is making claims we should have settled all this privately. We tried Cotten, we genuinely tried to have as few people involved as possible.

This brings me to my second point: Cotten has alot of private buyers and at the time of my confrontation, what led to it was seeing Cotten respond to an offer saying they had already got a higher one(persumably private). Cotten gets alot of private offers so we had no way to contact potential buyers in hopes of warning them of this situation. Therefore: with all attempts of settling this all in private failed, and offers flooding in; A public call out was our best chance at getting in contact with potential buyers. 

Also to cotten's point of using the images as placeholders, here's toyhouse tos which has been violated :] https://postimg.cc/7J6R7dqr

https://postimg.cc/56Yq7BK5

Anyways, I'm done now.

spoookie's response: "Hi guys! Spookie here. Im saying this again to make everyone aware i did in fact warn that I would make this public if there was no action on their end, because this isn't a "trivial personal" matter like they claim it to be: its outright sneaky and affects not just me but the people interested in buying the mascots. Saying It's only between us is incorrect because it quite literally involves other parties (my business, the interested buyers, people who entered the DTIYS) that can potentially hurt them. 

Another point to make is; once those mascots reach new hands, there will always be a risk that they can do something with those characters that will hurt my business because of their ties to it. I can't control what the new owners will do with froyo and cabe-- and with their faces still public on my page it will be messy and confusing to separate them from the designs on toyhouse. Especially if used for something harmful, which cotten hasn't taken into account.

An ADDITIONAL thing is that cotten has a decently large fanbase on this platform, meanwhile I can only speak through a friend on toyhouse who's generously letting me share my story. They have a much louder impact on what they say-- so If I have to come public I have to have some form of credibility. If I didn't provide screenshots it would just be a "he said she said" situation that can be easily twisted to make the other party look worse. That's also why i didn't crop any specific messages, because that would make it seem like Im trying to hide what I'm saying and I have no shame in my responses. I just want you all to know the full story..

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Points to know:

1. If cotten desperately wanted to have them as “keepsakes”, they would have credited the artists properly and not trashed them in email/ sent to spam. (Especially since they knew they would no longer be able to use the email anyways, so the “clutter” shouldnt be their problem)

2. If you kept those art pieces for memories im surprised you arent attached to the characters, considering you put them up for sale immediately after blocking me

3. If they respected the fact that I wanted the art as keepsakes, they wouldnt have asked “why do i even need it” in the first place


This has all been written by spookie and i am posting her stance on it and announcing my full support for them.


Warning: this entire “PSA” is going to cause some controversy. Im not trying to induce any bullying or harassment on cottens end nor do i condone it, so please keep it civil. My intentions with this post is to make people aware of what really happened with potopurifruits and why im against cotten selling the mascots. I believe i have the right to let this out to the public because of the behavior ive been met with on their end, despite telling them id be announcing it if they didn’t respect our agreement. Im going to try to be as transparent as possible about this. Im lowkey kind of scared to even say this because i know that my voice might not be as loud as theirs, but with the encouragement of my friends i feel a lot better sharing this. Because trust me, it hurts.


So heres some context: me and cotten decided to make a business account together around November of 2023, which we titled “potopurifruits”. Poto was the name cotten took on, and i took on the name puri. We went by these titles as admins and for people to refer to us to. Since the creation of the account, we both agreed to make it 50:50 ownership, along with assigning one mascot to our admin personalities. these mascots are cabe and froyo (https://toyhou.se/23375364.cab

https://toyhou.se/21835067.froyo ) both characters cotten designed and claimed ownership to: [IMG_20240416_212142.jpg?ex=6632b489&is=6] Since the creation of the account cotten NEVER made it clear or official that they would be in control of the mascots we both agreed to be the face of OUR business. One would assume that if you share the business, you share the rights to the characters—- and that was what held true until the end. I treated those mascots as my own and made content of them including contest art and “get to know us” art, as well as a small comic. This led me to believe i also had a say in what happened to them. 

During this business however, i realized i was the one that did most of the work after a certain period of time. 

Time after time, i was the one that built up our account and made viral reels as well as consistent posting. I can argue that 90% of the account’s success was due to my hard work poured into it alone, because i genuinely cared about our followers and wanted them to feel comfortable following us. Almost every time I asked cotten for a favor, they claimed they had studying to do—- and I let it go and did it myself. (In this example they claimed their reel deleted itself and never attempted to make another  (https://postimg.cc/rdmqhf2h)) I even offered to let them take a break while I took it on. (https://postimg.cc/1gfZ04D2  (https://postimg.cc/1gfZ04D2)) Eventually though, i couldnt handle it anymore because of external factors and asked for help. This is when the conflict started. You can view it here: https://postimg.cc/gallery/dsX30Ls 

 (https://postimg.cc/gallery/dsX30Ls)Cotten successfully made it feel like our growth was entirely my fault, and i felt bad for asking them for help. I lowkey felt gaslit lol but thats up to specilation


I started to get fed up with this situation and felt like the responsibility was still on both of us because we equally agreed to split this account. To me it seemed like all they needed to do was log in, sell their stuff, hop back out and not do any of the work that made them able to sell their stuff in the first place. Cotten had never actively participated in the business and most of the responsiblity would fall onto me. (Ill leave these out because this is already long enough and it gets into deep waters) Getting them to do the bare minimum was a challenge (like finishing the cover art for our winners post which i gave them a graceful amount of time to complete) I know everyone has their own things to do, but if you cant handle it— then you shouldn’t have signed up for it in the first place. There are many other examples but these are the ones that are the most significant. I have lots of proof for these and can provide them upon request.


Anyways; back to the main issue at hand. Once I told them how much this business meant to me and that i cant force them to stay, they agreed that we split ways so they can start their own business. (Im assuming so it can be at their own pace) This I was reasonably disappointed about, but I understood that I couldn’t make cotten put in the effort into something they didn’t want to do. Proof here, screenshots are backwards: (https://postimg.cc/gallery/sB7RvWQ (https://postimg.cc/gallery/sB7RvWQ)) 


Now I thought that was the end of things. Eventually, they’d sell their stuff and Id be able to move on without froyo and cabe. However, things got complicated. 


Some more context is that we hosted a DTIYS event on our account, celebrating our business milestone.. This was recorded to be on February. All business related pieces (DTIYS entries) are considered commercial and should not whatsoever be considered fanart for the characters, since they were for a contest that was directed to potopurifruits. The new owners should have absolutely no rights to that artwork. Now, things start to get tricky here. I personally believe that cotten did not view these pieces of artwork as EQUALLY ours, but as her OWN additional art to the characters. 


When checking my business email, I realized that all of the entries sent to it had been moved to the trash. Cotten claimed it as an accident and meant to move it to spam (despite notifications telling you things were moved to garbage. On an additional note: moving items to spam prevents emails from those people reaching you in the future—- which can also sabatoge communication, so its not like its any better.) confrontation here: https://postimg.cc/gallery/1SmPzfR (https://postimg.cc/gallery/1SmPzfR)

Them asking why I “need it” goes to show that they were only thinking of THEIR purposes for the artwork.


Yesterday night was the final straw.. i was made aware that cotten was putting them up for sale without telling me.

Upon hearing that these mascots were being sold; I got extremely upset because they are still currently the face of our business. As I had my friend who contacted cotten write, “This normally wouldn't be an issue, but in this case she kindly asks you to take them off for sale until she has fully rebranded. This also includes removing all business related art pieces of the characters. These mascots are still the face of potopurifruits and still have commercialized purposes.” I didn’t want someone owning them when they were still featured on our page. 


I noticed they also included my artwork I made of them purely for business in their gallery, without describing it as such. Once I requested it to be taken down, they blocked me and everyone I was in contact with—-with no further explanation. (https://postimg.cc/gallery/RhwdxHv (https://postimg.cc/gallery/RhwdxHv) ) cottens response was not only rude but extremely immature. If things had been handled better, I wouldn’t have felt the need to make this public. After being their friend for a while and thinking we were close, this feels like its own form of betrayal and it really just sucks to have this happen to me. My business is the only thing I have after working so hard to find a place to belong; while they have so many other forms of making money. So this to me feels like they treated our business as a side project and backed out when they couldn’t handle their weight. Then as i predicted; ran to toyhouse to make a quick buck off of the characters that meant so much to me and our brand.


Today I had a friend of mine reach out to them telling them that I wasn’t going to have this. Heres the full text of what I initially told them:


“To Cotten.


Spookie has been trying to reach you since last night. Shes aware that youre selling the mascots to her business potopurifruits. This normally wouldn't be an issue, but in this case she kindly asks you to take them off for sale until she has fully rebranded. This also includes removing all business related art pieces of the characters. These mascots are still the face of potopurifruits and still have commercialized purposes. With your running away and not establishing any form of official leave, you're still abided to the agreement that potopurifruits has shared rights of said characters. (Full ownership to you was never confirmed at the start of selecting mascots-- had it been made clearer spookie would have worked with you to make ones actually sharing ownership.) since these mascots are still technically in use, it would be breaching the TOS on toyhouse and your agreement with spookie to sell them. If you refuse to be civil about this, we'll have to take public action.” [including the disclaimer of not using the DTIYS art.] 


This was their response: https://postimg.cc/gallery/0kXR0tc (https://postimg.cc/gallery/0kXR0tc)


All of this was incredibly rude and dismissive. The only thing they agreed upon was to remove the DTIYS art once it reaches new hands, and telling me I had a month to rebrand despite immediately putting up the mascots for AB. (https://postimg.cc/WFKkXDDy (https://postimg.cc/WFKkXDDy)) Even if their intention was to transfer after the time limit, they never made me aware of this.


Cotten was clearly not interested in having a proper conversation, because they promptly blocked my friend after sending the message. This shows that they never intended to reach a formal conclusion with me. They brought up my behaviors of being passive aggressive to them near the end; but in all honesty my reaction was completely reasonable if you think about how they treated me . :/ it was irrelevant to the main issue at hand too, which makes it feel like they’re trying to spin the blame on me.


I’m putting this out there to warn others of their behavior and that the ocs they’re selling were not intended for that use 😐 they can do whatever they want with cabe and froyo after I rebrand, but until then I refuse to be treated like this after trying my best to be patient and understanding with them. I really did want to be their friend, including making them presents and yada yada whatever you get the point that I cared about them.

 I feel taken advantage of and just plain stupid for letting all of this happen for so long. Well, theres my piece. Theres other stuff theyre guilty of, me as well; but thats not relevant to the main issue I have right now. If u want more proof or whatever pls ask 😭 thank u

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im real sorry but can someone give a TL;DR I have dyslexia and I don't think I can read and comprehend all this text but I wanna know what's going on   

here are the main points for what i got

qxtten and spookie make a business, qxtten makes/designs both mascots for business. 

spookie does [according to the bulletin] majority of the work for it [artwork, etc]they host a dtiys and qxtten doesn't add credits for the art on toyhouse

business splits and bc qxtten made the designs, attempts to sell them  without informing spookie [while they are still attached to the business]

when confronted abt this they responded rather poorly ; https://postimg.cc/gallery/0kXR0tc [this link specifically, which i can also make a tdlr for you if you like], proceeding to then block spookie/person who reached out [i cannot tell who it is tbh]

okay wow tysm this was really helpful   

such strange behaviour on Cotten's part lol

 I guess you can't expect too much from a two minors trying to run a business, but hopefully Cotten apolgies and makes thing better, since they're young it's hopefully just because of their immaturity rather than being a bad person or something. Spookie deserves better smh

Hi! So yes, this is a summary of situation ^^"" there's more complicattipn to the business part but that's the jist of it. And to the reaching out, we all tried to and all were blocked......

This summary help me understand it more, I did read the outdated bulletin but it helped me understand it more thank you

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when you say no 16 year old should be handling that type of money, what if a 16 year old needs that type of money for rent/bills/other needs  /gen

Uhm, most places legally require you to be taken care of by a guardian or foster home until 18 but idk where cotten lives so ¿¿¿ idk??

where im from you can legally leave school, buy a place and get a job at 16 so i was just wondering :>

yeah np :]]

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ah okay thank you :J

O H, my bad i completely did not know that ---(i dont own a paypal myself 😭😭) BUT UHM, i dont actually know what to do with taht information........

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I think they are well aware of the risk it could lead so that's why they moslty dm their PP link in private for avoiding someone outside to report them.

After as you mention, reporting them have more chance of make it worse since having their PP shut down can cause lot of issues (and I also think that once you PP are shut down for something like this, are there more chance to get banned again isn't it ?).

Tbh for this info, I don't really know what to do beside saying that they broke TH and PP's TOS would can ended up having severe consequences

Nah cuz this situation is so.. and the way the are did the bulletim like it was nothing when well knowed that it meant alot for spookie.. 

Im not even sure if they are deleting the arts, it seem more like they are privating them then deleting

the bulletin was so vague too so you didn’t rlly know what they were talking abt till you read this psa lol 

I ACTUALLY NEEDED TO LOOK THE COMMENTS SO I KNEW WHAT THEY WERW TALKING ABOUT

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I don't understand what there is to defend from the other party in this situation. Imo this is just a raw case an artists greed - I am baffled. Their wishes to not want their designs being used, I can understand that, because I feel most people would wish the same were they not apart of a project anymore-  but pulling them away just so you can Make acouple thousand almost immediately ..?? 

While I'm sure there is some missing context because we (and everyone who is reading) is seeing this all from an outsiders POV, it is still clear this resulted from pure pettiness, selfishness and just overall immature behavior. 

Seeing all of the responses this person made on the bulletin really rubs you the wrong way.. just doing soemthing purely because you CAN does not make your actions just, especially when it effects multiple different unsuspecting artists. You do not accidentally avoid crediting artists for their hard work - that is something you do either on purpose out of pure laziness.

I am very sorry to spookie for having to go through this , and for anyone else who had to get involved bc of this person's immaturity. 

see now I asked why keep blocking everyone messaging to try and resolve the situation if they wanted it to stay private and bros response did not sit well w me. I didn’t really know how respond and i didn’t wanna make them mad. 😭🙏🏾

Like really it makes no sense. Apparently they were taking a test or something but if they just said they were taking a test atm I feel like y’all would’ve been understanding of that despite everything so i don’t know… 

It all boils down to, they truly didn't wish to resolve this and expected to be able to get away with it :[[ we tried to reach out and take the private, civil way. It's just cotten made it clear they didn't care about what we were saying or wanted to listen. They only cared about their benefits, our message to them stated we would be taling this piblic if we couldn't resolve this, and clearly: this was something reaching out and talking wouldn't be able to resolve anymore :[[

I just got sent this and oh my god I'm so sorry this has happened, Thank you for spreading awareness on the topic :( sending you guys all the love <3

oh my god this is horrible to see!! my condolences for all of you :[[[[ i will be letting people know of this and i will personally not be buying from them after this!!! my heart goes out to u guys

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oh my gosh this is so rude?? I've been following the insta account for awhile to support the business and had no idea that this was the cause of the rebrand. wishing spookie success with moving forwards with their business!! I'm sure we will adore the new direction and can be patient for spookie to hopefully take a well deserved break after this </3

Oml, I feel so bad for puri :(( I would be so devastated if something I thought was mine was suddenly being sold off

nah thats just foul...im so sorry that happened to yall

hi, someone who did one of the dtiys entries, i didn’t get credited for my work and didn’t know that my art would be on the toyhouse profile:( i sorely hope my artwork wasn’t added for worth or anything since i did it for free

Sadly this is most likely the case :(( cotten has a history of upcharging for characters, theyre charging quite alot for these character and it's most likely because of all the free art that has been received with the instagram dtiys 😞😞

 I think this is usually a situation where you solve this in dms but they are so unwilling to work with you that it deserves to be public. Such rude behavior? Not to dismiss anything either but while schoolwork is important, I'm in college so I'd know, but you can take one hour of your 24 hour day to help your friends out. 

I don't know how close you two were, but to start a business together you had to be something. Sorry this happened to you.

Yeah, it's been rough on us(mainly spookie :(( We tried multiple times to settle this properly that only ended in us getting blocked 😭😭😭 It's sad something so small has come to this point..... Ty for your support!!

im so so sorry this has happened to you :( my dms r open

this is so messy honestly ;; I hope some sort of resolve comes out of all of this, but I think it’s at least good to pay attention to potential actions larger creators have done and not ignore them

Yeah, we were really hesitant to post a psa at first and wished to come to a private settlement, but after what's happened recently, we decided the public should know :[[ Large creators shouldnt get away with exploiting people just because people refuse to call them out on it or are scared to. It's unfair :((

Wow WTF is their deal :( I'm sorry that happened to you!!! I don't wish to do any business with them after seeing this post, thank you for posting this!

Omg im so sorry this is happening to Spookie :((( I'll def share this around ! I hope things end up working out ! I am wishing spookie well !!