EXPLAIN: I was approached by Guro-boy when I placed a thread seeking Longthings to buy. They messaged me with two that they were selling, one at 150$ and the other at 100$. I thought this was fine and wanted to buy them both. They originally asked me to send as Friends and family, but I said I was uncomfortable with that and offered to pay the fees for them. They sent me an invoice, which I was comfortable with because invoices are more secure. They gave me the image files and all was fine after. About a month in, I was contacted by a user, who I won’t mention, stating that their longthing looked eerily similar to one of mine. I agreed and sent Glider a note about it. (I later learned Glider isn’t as active where I contacted them, so that’s not an issue). I then contacted Guro and they stated it was a custom. I was still very wary, but I accepted it and just kept things quiet while I did some research. Things got busy, IRL, so I dropped the thing to take care of my life.

Glider posted a journal to FA today, April 11^th, 2018. And stated there was a tracing issue. I asked in the thread, for someone to note me the name of the user. I was noted, by SEVERAL people, that it was guro-boy. This prompted me to message glider, who was active on the site, for confirmation. They confirmed my suspicions and stated I was sold two altered long things.

As of currently, I have filed a dispute asking for them to VERIFY the legitimacy of these longthings, but I will be escalating it to an immediate claim.

PROOF:

Glider’s journal: https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8690922 (http://archive.is/utgJN)

The Two longthings I was sold: https://sta.sh/21sds6or442j?edit=1

Conversation for original purchase: https://sta.sh/017r9nhrw0el

Paypal proof: https://sta.sh/0amkxon9kd9

Second PM asking about legitimacy: https://sta.sh/01jzv5os7nd5

PM to glider: https://sta.sh/01x7uafbrotp

Folder with proofs: https://sta.sh/210pqzzkxepp?edit=1

Update: They have contacted me via email, and offered a refund on a payment plan after I escalated the dispute to a claim. https://sta.sh/01kh1arkw3ms
My reply and theirs: https://sta.sh/022fhs2g4eou

They have NOT refunded me anything yet. Despite this conversation happening this morning

Update 4/21/2018: They have contacted me via email and offered me the partial refund via. Together, we have decided that I will deny the refund so the case can be reviewed and the date extended in order to get a full refund of the 258$. I felt this was the best course of action, since the date they originally requested for the second payment was so close.

Updated: PayPal closed the case, not in my favor, and now I’m out the 258$. :,) So there’s nothing I can do, except hope that Guro actual refunds me, since I have no ground to stand on anymore. Update (5/1/2018): Paypal has closed the case, again, against my favor. I contacted Guro boy. They replied saying they needed to check if their bank wouldn't frekk out. Then proceed to tell me that they WOULD refund it. Here we are. Almost a week past the actual date they said they'd have the full amount. Nothing. I'm taking this as a loss. I am going to see if my bank will do anything. I am doubtful, but I can at least hope.
https://sta.sh/0bnt5rwp6b2
https://sta.sh/0wzpx7cx0gc

5/19/2018 My bank has denied the claim to reverse the charge. Their reason is that paypal stated that I authorized the transaction. They found the payment to be valid. So, I've filed a complaint with the BBB, but at this point, there's nothing I can do.
https://sta.sh/0k1iahz5sle
https://sta.sh/018o63e5htu8 (BBB case)

Guro has been seen trying to commission Glider, despite not refunding me the amount. https://prnt.sc/jmayyx (Archive link: http://archive.is/ynH7z )

5/26/2018: It looks like Guro-boy has migrated to making off-brands of the closed species he was banned from. https://toyhou.se/~forums/5867.service-reviews/63052.psa-artist-beware-guro-boy-updated-5-24-?page=8#post-1493872
http://archive.is/uruXC
Second update: Guro has now blocked me from his social media platforms, which leaves me no way to contact him. It confirms that he was the one that made these fake longthings, and not this "darlingdoq" account he claimed sold him these. https://sta.sh/0hdfdn9kpor

Third update:

And ladies and gents, I have payment part 1 of 2 from Guro-boy.
https://sta.sh/014i8wjqluw5
https://sta.sh/0gbcxkc9wk

Update (6/2): Guro boy has been caught tracing art from other artists and selling them as commissions. http://bibbity-babbity.tumblr.com/post/174478869145/josuke-hiigashikata-quick-question-would-you ( http://archive.is/MntOu)

Update 6/3: New accounts added to the list of accounts.
Artist beware from traced art: http://bibbity-babbity.tumblr.com/post/174477990110/guro-boy-vitreoushumor-art-theftbootlegging

**Update 11/3/21: New accounts added to the beware.

If anyone is interested in retweeting the AB post on twitter: https://twitter.com/Artists_Beware/status/994804199920754688

** 6/20/2018: A rep from paypal called me today. She resolved my claim and issued a credit for thew full 258$ to my account. It turns out, there was a large misunderstanding on paypal's part and my correct channel through the BBB resolved this. I issued a refund to Guro-boy for the 125$ they gave me. I am not interested in keeping money that is not mine. I am considering this resolved.

Momma-Lucifer

Usernames updated, and beware link added!

Lysandre Please visit the Artist beware LJ and fill one out. I've added yours to this, but your issue also qualifies for an entirely new entry in the LJ A_B <: Thanks for posting and making everyone aware of this issue too.

@Atoll Thank you for the links! <3 I've added them.

pkii

bumping

STORAGE

For some reason this guro-boy thread keeps getting bumped: https://toyhou.se/~forums/13.adoption-center/44707.eeray-myo-slot-for-sale and I have a sickening suspicion that they have another account and are using it to bump this thread. Be careful. I feel like this one is another scam.

heterodont

STORAGE

Someone who was interested in the slot had posted and, as a result, bumped the thread because they hadn't seen the OP and subsequently deleted their post when they realized who it was.

STORAGE

heterodont - yeah but not only that, I've seen it get continuously bumped the past 24 - 72 hours before they even posted. I thought maybe it was just a misclick but I've seen it on the front page of the adoption center at least 3 times

Momma-Lucifer

Vespisia

I'm very glad to hear the BBB route helped with getting what you are owed, thank goodness.

vvingblade

SO happy to see this was resolved in full, and really nice seeing that going the BBB route bore fruit- hopefully this little tip gets spread a bit more to help others who've been seriously shafted. Really sorry this got dragged out as long as it did, and that it happened in the first place, but really happy it all was resolved in the end!

iamninten

very happy about the good news! here’s to hoping no one has to deal with similar issues with this user, and that the others affected by guro also get a resolution.

Cheetaha

This person is still active and buy stuff on dA. May they still be shady?

Momma-Lucifer

Cheetaha8 Honestly, they're a work with at your own risk. In the end, they did refund the money in portions, but only after I had to get PayPal involved, and various other mods from CS communities. They may have changed their ways, but I do not interact with them on the entire basis of this interaction.

Cheetaha

I understand, thank you. Just wanted to ask to warning CS owner, who got this person bid under their adoptable. I just checked and well, guro-boy didn't win that, so technically there's nothing to add here. Thanks for response!

applesoul

To add onto Rikki's comment, their toyhouse and refsheet are https://toyhou.se/Gintoki-kinnie and https://refsheet.net/Gintoki, respectively.