ooo,, the more you know thank your for your perspective! it really is interesting to learn more about it (also sorry for the late reply, got caught up with a bunch of stuff) it's definitely easier to pick up English when you speak Spanish, given how many words are similar or even identical I know about the case system, but with my null knowledge of Russian or Slavic languages in general, it's hard to make any comparison ahha
also, I haven't made my mind about Art Fight yet aaa last year, I joined during the last 2 weeks and got hit with so many attacks, which was fun but also a little too much with the limited time xD I'll think about it more once the team reveal is out though!
Yes, it’s indeed easier to switch to English from Spanish than from Russian.
because in Russian there is a completely different language structure..
We Russian speakers literally have to learn the language from COMPLETE zero, because we simply have no analogues xD
Earlier, before I started learning English, I had no idea how difficult cases are for foreigners, especially for those who grew up in English-speaking countries. And also phrases like "Да нет, наверное"
Да - yes
Нет - no
Наверное - probably
A close equivalent sentence in English is probably "Well, no, not really," I honestly don't know(
And also the designation of objects that are standing/lying on a surface (At this point logic just shuts off lol)
When I first started learning English, I had a question: did Old English have cases, and they really did, AND HOW GOOD IT IS THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE NOW. That would have made learning many times harder, because we ourselves sometimes get confused in them in Russian xD
When you were just starting to learn English. What was the most difficult thing for you as a native Spanish speaker in English?
Ooo, that's cool. Did you manage to make your replies during the last two weeks of Art Fight, or did you not have enough time?
ooo I kinda get it, you mean the way that phrase is structured actually feels kind of contradictory? like it's both positive and negative at the same time, or when you're just uncertain about something xD I see how this ambiguity can be difficult to translate to English, I'm also struggling to make sense of it in Spanish, but I understand the concept
I think both Spanish and Russian use gendered words right? so I guess from an English-speaking perspective this aspect tends to be confusing as well :P As a self taught I never really learned English seriously or took classes, I just relied on the sheer power of google translate
Also, English pronunciaiton is,, something lol It can be so inconsistent at times, and I think that's what I struggled the most learning English
Having similar soundings words in Spanish can be tricky though, and I think it's what leads to most spelling mistakes I used to mess up the word "ResponSIbility" because in Spanish it's "ResponSAbilidad" and the pronunciation in English sounds pretty much the same, so I naturally wrote "ResponSAbility" A few more I can think of on top of my head in this order: Correct English spelling > Wrong spelling > Spanish spelling
QuanTIty / QuaNIty / CanTIdad (mostly confused of the English pronunciation) Sensitivity and Sensibility / SensiBIlidad (there's no SensiTIvidad in Spanish, both words mean the same, but have distinct meanings in English) cAUsality / caSUality / cAUsalidad and caSUalidad (like the previous words but vice versa, there's no Casuality in English) anticliMACtic / anticliMATic / AnticliMATico etc, etc
Also, since you mentioned that even native Russian speakers mess up cases, I think a similar Spanish equivalent would be accent marks! You'd be surprised how much people mess these up or don't used them AT ALL, the meaning of the word can change completely depending where to place the accent, and it's mostly a spelling issue, but I've been guilty of forgetting them sometimes too :S
For example: Cómo / Como (How / Eat, but it can also be used as conjunction like "As" or "Like")
This typical Spanish homophone confuses English speakers lol ¿Cómo como? Como Cómo como. - Cómo, "¿cómo como?" (How do I eat? I eat how I eat. - What do you mean, "how do I eat?")
Languages sure are fun :P
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Also I still haven't been able to reply to every Artifight attack! I'll probably try to do that a little before the event starts if I decide to participate :0
Sorry for disappearing for almost 2 months, there were a bunch of things in life that I needed to take care of. But luckily, I finished them all ^-^
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Yeaah ^-^ you understood the meaning of that sentence correctly. Here, "Да" is used as a simple introductory word, and the rest — "Нет наверное" — is the negative part, but the introductory word "Да" gives it a more uncertain meaning than just "Нет наверное".
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Yes, both Russian and Spanish use grammatical gender, but as far as I know, Spanish doesn't have a neuter gender, only masculine and feminine. Russian, on the other hand, has masculine, feminine, and neuter gender. For example, for words like "Окно" (window), "Море" (sea), "Солнце" (sun), "Имя" (name), we use neuter gender. So I have a question: how exactly do you replace the neuter gender in Spanish?
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Wooow, reaching that level of English just using a translator is really impressive!! :0
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Oh, I also had quite big problems with pronunciation. I sometimes slip up with it — like the famous "Queue" which is pronounced as just the letter "Q" xD By the way, something similar exists in Russian too, where a word is spelled one way but pronounced another. And honestly, Russians also confuse them, though rarely.
How to spell - "Молоко" (milk) Pronounced - "малако" How to spell - "Лёгкий" (easy) Pronounced - "Лёхкий" How to spell - "Чувство" (feeling) Pronounced - "Чуство" How to spell - "Корова" (cow) Pronounced - "Карова"
Another thing that can be considered a problem is the correct spelling of "н" vs "нн" in words. The thing is, in Russian, some words have either one "н" or two "нн" depending on context: the presence of dependent words, prefixes, or their role in the sentence. And from what I've noticed, most people don't really care about spelling these words correctly (to be honest, I usually ignore this rule myself :P)
We also have another quirk with the letters "e" and "ё" — in writing, most people completely ignore the existence of "ё" and write "e" instead (me too).
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We have something similar to your accent marks, but with commas. A lot of people I know, including friends, either use them incorrectly or completely ignore them, which breaks the meaning of the sentence. In Russian, commas are used not only to mark introductory words and split complex sentences into simpler parts, but also to show where the semantic point of the sentence begins. Let me show you with a simple example (unfortunately, I can't give an exact translation due to English grammar rules):
For example: "Казнить нельзя помиловать." This sentence has no clear meaning by itself.
For example: "Казнить, нельзя помиловать." (He should be executed, not pardoned) Here it means that execution is what must be done, and pardon is not allowed.
For example: "Казнить нельзя, помиловать." (He should not be executed but pardoned) Here it means that pardon is what must be done, and execution is not allowed.
Oh, I also forgot to write about the correctness of intonation in questions. In English, we use verbs like "to be," etc. for that. But in Russian, to ask a question, you have to use the right intonation ;-; because of this, awkward situations sometimes arise where you can't tell if it was a question or a statement XD Although that intonation is actually quite easy to catch.
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We Russian speakers learning English have a problem with the Present Perfect tense. Because in Russian, we don't care whether we're talking about an action that affects the present moment or not. We just understand it from context.
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Languages are really fun!! :D For example, I recently learned that Chinese and Vietnamese have no tenses at all — they either understand them from context or use introductory words. And in some languages, there is no future tense.
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ooo,, the more you know
thank your for your perspective! it really is interesting to learn more about it (also sorry for the late reply, got caught up with a bunch of stuff)
it's definitely easier to pick up English when you speak Spanish, given how many words are similar or even identical
I know about the case system, but with my null knowledge of Russian or Slavic languages in general, it's hard to make any comparison ahha
also, I haven't made my mind about Art Fight yet aaa
last year, I joined during the last 2 weeks and got hit with so many attacks, which was fun but also a little too much with the limited time xD
I'll think about it more once the team reveal is out though!
3 months, 25 days ago
Yes, it’s indeed easier to switch to English from Spanish than from Russian. because in Russian there is a completely different language structure.. We Russian speakers literally have to learn the language from COMPLETE zero, because we simply have no analogues xD
Earlier, before I started learning English, I had no idea how difficult cases are for foreigners, especially for those who grew up in English-speaking countries. And also phrases like "Да нет, наверное"
Да - yes
Нет - no
Наверное - probably
A close equivalent sentence in English is probably "Well, no, not really," I honestly don't know( And also the designation of objects that are standing/lying on a surface (At this point logic just shuts off lol)
When I first started learning English, I had a question: did Old English have cases, and they really did, AND HOW GOOD IT IS THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE NOW. That would have made learning many times harder, because we ourselves sometimes get confused in them in Russian xD
When you were just starting to learn English. What was the most difficult thing for you as a native Spanish speaker in English?
Ooo, that's cool. Did you manage to make your replies during the last two weeks of Art Fight, or did you not have enough time?
3 months, 21 days ago Edited 9:01 am
ooo I kinda get it, you mean the way that phrase is structured actually feels kind of contradictory? like it's both positive and negative at the same time, or when you're just uncertain about something xD
I see how this ambiguity can be difficult to translate to English, I'm also struggling to make sense of it in Spanish, but I understand the concept
I think both Spanish and Russian use gendered words right? so I guess from an English-speaking perspective this aspect tends to be confusing as well :P
As a self taught I never really learned English seriously or took classes, I just relied on the sheer power of google translate
Also, English pronunciaiton is,, something lol
It can be so inconsistent at times, and I think that's what I struggled the most learning English
Having similar soundings words in Spanish can be tricky though, and I think it's what leads to most spelling mistakes
I used to mess up the word "ResponSIbility" because in Spanish it's "ResponSAbilidad" and the pronunciation in English sounds pretty much the same, so I naturally wrote "ResponSAbility"
A few more I can think of on top of my head in this order: Correct English spelling > Wrong spelling > Spanish spelling
QuanTIty / QuaNIty / CanTIdad (mostly confused of the English pronunciation)
Sensitivity and Sensibility / SensiBIlidad (there's no SensiTIvidad in Spanish, both words mean the same, but have distinct meanings in English)
cAUsality / caSUality / cAUsalidad and caSUalidad (like the previous words but vice versa, there's no Casuality in English)
anticliMACtic / anticliMATic / AnticliMATico
etc, etc
Also, since you mentioned that even native Russian speakers mess up cases, I think a similar Spanish equivalent would be accent marks!
You'd be surprised how much people mess these up or don't used them AT ALL, the meaning of the word can change completely depending where to place the accent, and it's mostly a spelling issue, but I've been guilty of forgetting them sometimes too :S
For example: Cómo / Como (How / Eat, but it can also be used as conjunction like "As" or "Like")
This typical Spanish homophone confuses English speakers lol
¿Cómo como? Como Cómo como. - Cómo, "¿cómo como?"
(How do I eat? I eat how I eat. - What do you mean, "how do I eat?")
Languages sure are fun :P
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Also I still haven't been able to reply to every Artifight attack! I'll probably try to do that a little before the event starts if I decide to participate :0
3 months, 11 days ago Edited 10:45 pm
Edit: I find it really poetic that I had to edit my comment because I forgot an accent mark :')
3 months, 11 days ago
xD
1 month, 18 days ago
Sorry for disappearing for almost 2 months, there were a bunch of things in life that I needed to take care of. But luckily, I finished them all ^-^
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Yeaah ^-^ you understood the meaning of that sentence correctly. Here, "Да" is used as a simple introductory word, and the rest — "Нет наверное" — is the negative part, but the introductory word "Да" gives it a more uncertain meaning than just "Нет наверное".
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Yes, both Russian and Spanish use grammatical gender, but as far as I know, Spanish doesn't have a neuter gender, only masculine and feminine. Russian, on the other hand, has masculine, feminine, and neuter gender. For example, for words like "Окно" (window), "Море" (sea), "Солнце" (sun), "Имя" (name), we use neuter gender. So I have a question: how exactly do you replace the neuter gender in Spanish?
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Wooow, reaching that level of English just using a translator is really impressive!! :0
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Oh, I also had quite big problems with pronunciation. I sometimes slip up with it — like the famous "Queue" which is pronounced as just the letter "Q" xD By the way, something similar exists in Russian too, where a word is spelled one way but pronounced another. And honestly, Russians also confuse them, though rarely.
How to spell - "Молоко" (milk) Pronounced - "малако" How to spell - "Лёгкий" (easy) Pronounced - "Лёхкий" How to spell - "Чувство" (feeling) Pronounced - "Чуство" How to spell - "Корова" (cow) Pronounced - "Карова"
Another thing that can be considered a problem is the correct spelling of "н" vs "нн" in words. The thing is, in Russian, some words have either one "н" or two "нн" depending on context: the presence of dependent words, prefixes, or their role in the sentence. And from what I've noticed, most people don't really care about spelling these words correctly (to be honest, I usually ignore this rule myself :P)
We also have another quirk with the letters "e" and "ё" — in writing, most people completely ignore the existence of "ё" and write "e" instead (me too).
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We have something similar to your accent marks, but with commas. A lot of people I know, including friends, either use them incorrectly or completely ignore them, which breaks the meaning of the sentence. In Russian, commas are used not only to mark introductory words and split complex sentences into simpler parts, but also to show where the semantic point of the sentence begins. Let me show you with a simple example (unfortunately, I can't give an exact translation due to English grammar rules):
For example: "Казнить нельзя помиловать." This sentence has no clear meaning by itself.
For example: "Казнить, нельзя помиловать." (He should be executed, not pardoned) Here it means that execution is what must be done, and pardon is not allowed.
For example: "Казнить нельзя, помиловать." (He should not be executed but pardoned) Here it means that pardon is what must be done, and execution is not allowed.
Oh, I also forgot to write about the correctness of intonation in questions. In English, we use verbs like "to be," etc. for that. But in Russian, to ask a question, you have to use the right intonation ;-; because of this, awkward situations sometimes arise where you can't tell if it was a question or a statement XD Although that intonation is actually quite easy to catch.
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We Russian speakers learning English have a problem with the Present Perfect tense. Because in Russian, we don't care whether we're talking about an action that affects the present moment or not. We just understand it from context.
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Languages are really fun!! :D For example, I recently learned that Chinese and Vietnamese have no tenses at all — they either understand them from context or use introductory words. And in some languages, there is no future tense.
1 month, 18 days ago