[UPDATE 2/11/2022] PSA on Komugitsune/DemonMadness

Posted 3 years, 1 month ago (Edited 2 years, 3 months ago) by huathorne
UPDATE 2/11/2022: They are also found under the name demonmadness on Twitter, Esty, and a newer account on Twitch

UPDATE 1/9/2022: Aug/Komugitsune has returned under the name demonmadness (Commission Site, Patreon, & Teepublic), crimsonzroses (Twitch), and corgiathlon (Instagram). These are provided to aid in pursuing owed items and as a further record to continue to hold Aug accountable for his actions. Do not harass him as that would help no one.

UPDATE REGARDING 1. Gumroad refunds. 2. Aug engaging in upselling and potential scamming. Updates added at the bottom!

This is a letter to the members of Northern Ruins who have been thrown headfirst into sudden chaos. This is for the members who so recently purchased slots and items, for the members who were awaiting Valentines batch adopts, for the Guest Artists left without answers and some with half finished adopts, and even the unwitting Moderators who have since discussed things with all parties involved and have since made their own decisions in regards to things.

This is here in case the original letter is taken down from Northern Ruins.

Before delving into the details, keep several things in mind.

This all happened because two staff members, Min and Yolk, quit after not being allowed to discuss the idea of compensation for hundreds of hours of work in just the past few months. We just quit after leaving behind a notice of resignation with grievances in only the mod server. The goal was never to hurt Northern Ruins because despite all this, we still dearly loved it and, above all, its community. Northern Ruins contained so many friends that we would not want to hurt just because we were quitting. The only one who had the power to delete the servers was Aug despite what he has been relaying to people. And keep in mind, he has yet to release a comprehensive statement just explaining things to the people caught in the crossfire of his decisions.

Also note, Aug has not made any attempt to directly contact Min nor Yolk after quitting. Min has not been available for contact since the stress of the situation has landed them in the ER so lack of contact with Min might be excusable. However, Yolk has always been open to civil conversation and has told such to each and every messenger Aug has sent his way. Almost every messenger seemed to also think that Min and Yolk were at some fault for the servers being taken down or for the supposed destruction of Northern Ruins. As said previously, we merely quit because of lack of compensation. The only thing that was directly changed was that Min repossessed unpaid decorative code that they wrote and are the rightful owner of. Min left a lot of the code they themselves paid for along with other things on the site despite everything to make sure the site stayed perfectly functional with the database intact.

All destructive actions are by Aug’s hand only.

Plus, it was by his suggestion Yolk quit initially and Min followed soon after.

While Aug will repeatedly say he would have given compensation if he had known, he was the one who did not even want to discuss it in the first place. That is an undeniable fact. The issue is not a matter of money but rather a matter of fairness, transparency, and attitude. Aug does not entertain the idea of compensation in a transparent manner but instead opts to try to push it off till later. Compensation desired wasn’t even necessarily monetary but since he did not even want to discuss it, he would not have known. Min, who spent hundreds of dollars out of pocket, deserves monetary compensation especially considering their personal situation that Aug is completely aware of. Yolk did not want monetary compensation but rather wanted pets, items, and/or slots that were higher than common. But, again, Aug did not want to discuss compensation and therefore would not have known by his own choice. Note, previous staff-wide compensation was a single common slot. The only scaled compensation was a single Aspirith slot for Min. Compensation was not repeated nor otherwise scaled per work time. ONLY slots for compensation is a slap in the face since it requires work to truly get the benefit. Those bogged down by work by Northern Ruins or otherwise or even personal life would not really get any benefit from the slots at all. He also claims that the privilege to do adopts when he chooses to do them is compensation ignoring the fact that creating the adopts in itself is work. The price of an adopt pays for the adopt’s creation. It does not pay for the cost of the assets done. It does not pay for the cost of the site. It does not pay for the time spent on work for Northern Ruins outside of the adopt.

But, these words are nothing without the evidence to back them up. Aug, we know you keep telling people your version of the truth. So, we will tell our truth with the evidence to back it up.

If you wish to know the truth behind the issue at hand, this link will take you there.

If any questions come up, feel free to comment on the linked sheet. Since some of the images may be small, it is recommended to view it in presentation format. Imgur links will be added later to ease reading. For the sake of not overwhelming people, please do not DM any party involved! Additionally, please do not harass Aug. Even if we have issues with him, we do not want to cause him unneeded trouble in that regard. To be transparent, this letter and the attached compilation of evidence have been created and curated by Yolk. In order to ease the reading process, I have been referring to myself in third person. Min has had a limited amount of input regarding this because they have been hospitalized and are still ongoing treatment. Further details regarding their personal health will not be given at this time to respect their privacy.

Thank you for your time in reading this.

〔Edit 9-May-2021〕

Steve from Gumroad finally learns to read.

"If you haven't gotten your refund yet, you purchased through Gumroad, and you are being ghosted or dismissed by Komugitsune, please email [email protected] directly to get your refunds. They will process the refunds for you."

Gumroad is now giving out refunds!

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! ! ! ONGOING BREAKING OF TOS AND POTENTIAL SCAMMING ! ! !

Aug is currently upselling several designs despite not adding to their value via commissioned work or through any other valid means.

Upselling Eeray

Upselling Diab

NotDamien's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

SnorkMaiden's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Traded Design

Heelies's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Gifted Design

If you wish to keep track of what he is attempting to sell and to see if anything might have inflated sell values, the link to his trade/sell thread is below. If you find something that may have inflated value, please report it and make a comment on his thread about it so more people can know. If you wish to, you can also comment here and I will add it to the list here.

Komugitsune's Trade/Sale Thread

EDIT: Image Transcription of Slides

PDF Version of Slide (Note: this will not be updated as fast but will be updated alongside the original.)

〔Edit 3-May-2021〕:

I'm adding this edit here since Aug decided, in a relatively confusing move, to lie blatantly on his site about the situation. Considering that, the following links will be added for ease of access to emphasize what he has had a direct hand in. This has gone beyond an issue concerning former staff since it has deeply affected many people unrelated to the original grievances I wrote. I sincerely hope this will help open more eyes to the issue.

I will preface with two important links.

Evidence submission form

This form is to collect formal evidence against komugitsune (Aug). As of right now, we are prioritizing gathering evidence of financial malpractice in order to strengthen cases against him in PayPal and Gumroad. However, if you have evidence of him doing any unsavory acts, we welcome that as well.

Please share this twitter link on the issue.

I have been informed that the issue is not well known outside of TH so it would be wonderful if you can spread the word outside.

Proof that Aug threatened Min and I with police action as well as that Red and Damien did not lie about it.

Please note for posterity that this was done in a midst of a spike in anti-Asian crime. Both Min and I are Asian. Threats of police, in itself, is not a joke. But threatening it in this climate is horrendous especially considering he knows both of our addresses as well as the addresses of many others.

Min's statements against Aug's allegations

Persistent lack of communication

I would like to note that Aug has still never attempted to directly contact me and has blocked me everywhere instead.

Cutting off communication avenues

It has been documented that Rook has been aiding with refunds as well as trying to be an avenue of communication between Aug and everyone else since he refuses to communicate directly. Since they have been cut off, Aug has effectively decided he would rather not face the allegations against him. Aug seems to have been using them as a scapegoat for failed refunds.

Proof of selling traced Picrew design

He sold this to me when we were still friends and he had the picrew image hidden.

More traced art

Chargeback issues as well as Aug's indecision regarding NR

I don't know why Aug doesn't seem to be settled on what will happen to NR. But I will note his waffling on it seems to correlate with his waffling on refunds.

Proof Aug said despeciesing applies to Official designs

Aug lying about refund issues

I, and others, have experienced this. Aug has repeatedly been trying to lie on paypal about "nobody" trying to communicate with him. He's blocked most people seeking refunds so the only avenue of communication is PayPal where he, again, seems adamant on lying.

Aug blocking those requesting refunds

It should be noted this wasn't a chargeback but a formal request for a refund. Basically, chargebacks seem to be the only valid avenue at this point.

SpideyPool

Elfen
The NPCs do have blank profiles on TH, so trying to find their ages is hard if you didn't look at the DeviantArt post of them. 

Also, just to make sure, all the NPCs are over here: https://toyhou.se/NorthernRuins/characters/folder:1110059


The other thing to point out is that information was put everywhere; some on DA, some in the TH world, and some on the website, so trying to make sure and verify might be hard for non-mods and possibly mods (I recall having issues with understanding all the lore).

Gucumatz

Elfen Nice to know my gut was right in that Aug was lying to my face about the gloves thing! He told me the thing with them being given their gloves after they were born was the way it was all along.

Also yeah, as another mod who was on the newer side I didn't know shit because it was so hard to find and Aug just changed things on the fly. It was frankly SUPER frustrating because I like to work within the lore of a setting or group and the combination of him giving us tiny breadcrumbs of info and changing shit on a whim made it fucking impossible to do so. It's a blessing in a way since I could never really develop any of my NR characters at all, so I don't have to do much with them to remove them from that setting.

stardustfanfare

luparoca I’m sorry that you were put through that. Do you mind clarifying for us when this was? (Like the year?)

stardustfanfare

luparoca Thank you for the information, I really do appreciate you sharing your experience.

I can't remember if his age has been shared here but I believe that makes August about 27-28 at that time, according to the age he told me a while back, anyone else is free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: deleting something because I don't want to speculate without more proof

curryspice

God damn, my heart goes out to you all. I never interacted with him much indepth but what I have seen is sadly all in line with everything in the powerpoint.

However, it is really really awful finding out how deep this goes - I can confirm that while he did tend to keep his age under wraps, he would be about 30 right now, as he was 27ish when I was still a Dainty mod with him around 2018. I remember him developing Northern Ruins while we were coworkers/covolunteers.

I am shocked to hear he was actively lying about[/misrepresenting] his age to his partners even when I knew him, and honestly just absolutely horrified about this whole thing. I'm so sorry especially to you all who were in relationships with him and hope you are doing better now.

edited to add some clarification on wording

Gucumatz

"This could have been easily resolved and I'm honestly disappointed by the behavior lashed out by those involved." Is an incredibly funny statement given that this all started because Yolk tried to talk about this and Aug was the one that lashed out and deleted everything. The ball was in your court and you dropped it, Aug, this is nobody's fault but your own and nobody escalated anything except for you.

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fatalmirror

I'd just like to add onto the thread that @nimble seems to be one of his separate hidden side accounts. This can be confirmed by both checking the design and art tabs to see the Ordivirn, as well as the username log:

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hinatot

'This could have been easily resolved and I'm honestly disappointed by the behavior lashed out by those involved.'

this has me seething, but it's not exactly surprising. since 2018, he has had a history of being unable to admit to mistakes or wrongdoing on his end- i'm speaking from my own experiences, but hearing other peoples' interactions with him it really sounds like a pattern of behavior. he has made no effort to try and better himself in the past 3 years, maybe longer than that, and this kind of behavior is why

'could have easily been resolved' uh huh, that's ignoring the underage (and borderline underage ) dating, his history of accusing anyone he dislikes of stalking/harassment/abuse regardless of circumstances, his treatment of people who were putting hundreds of hours of work into something that only profited him, the tracing and heavy referencing, and honestly most of the allegations in this thread. i think it's several years too late for this to be easily resolved, and honestly the more that comes to light, the more i wonder just how he was able to sweep everything under the rug for so long

huathorne
I have unfortunate news for anyone attempting to pursue refunds on now obselete Northern Ruins slots, items, and other unfulfilled/obselete things from Aug.

As of now, he seems to be avoiding refunding people and has engaged in activity directly against PayPal TOS.

Hitch gave me permission to share the below screenshots that give more details on the situation.

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Hitch is trying their best to help with refunds but it seems that Aug is avoiding responsibility in that regard as, unsurprisingly considering his track record, has left Hitch alone to deal with a mess he won't even clean up. Pardon me if I am getting a little bit annoyed but he has obviously been online enough to leave a snarky little comment on his profile but not online enough to do the absolute least and deal with financial matters that he has a direct hand in.

I think, in this regard, the only thing to do is file a chargeback through PayPal or your bank if you have not received a refund. It sucks but it seems he has left even getting refunds to the hands of others.

capricorn

I wonder if the people who were convinced to do friends & family can report his account about doing business while avoiding being taxed via this option. it is very against their ToS and if he wants to play this game, then he deserves to get his account terminated.

617th

capricorn I feel that's the last step in the equation. I'd like to get as many people as possible their refunds before his account gets locked for fraudulent activity.

capricorn

617th i mean i fully agree with you, but it seems Aug is just going to refuse. If he isn't gonna refund, mind as well cut him off. I hope he does refund though, but... I'm not hopeful for people :( esp those who did do the friends & family