[UPDATE 2/11/2022] PSA on Komugitsune/DemonMadness

Posted 3 years, 16 days ago (Edited 2 years, 2 months ago) by huathorne
UPDATE 2/11/2022: They are also found under the name demonmadness on Twitter, Esty, and a newer account on Twitch

UPDATE 1/9/2022: Aug/Komugitsune has returned under the name demonmadness (Commission Site, Patreon, & Teepublic), crimsonzroses (Twitch), and corgiathlon (Instagram). These are provided to aid in pursuing owed items and as a further record to continue to hold Aug accountable for his actions. Do not harass him as that would help no one.

UPDATE REGARDING 1. Gumroad refunds. 2. Aug engaging in upselling and potential scamming. Updates added at the bottom!

This is a letter to the members of Northern Ruins who have been thrown headfirst into sudden chaos. This is for the members who so recently purchased slots and items, for the members who were awaiting Valentines batch adopts, for the Guest Artists left without answers and some with half finished adopts, and even the unwitting Moderators who have since discussed things with all parties involved and have since made their own decisions in regards to things.

This is here in case the original letter is taken down from Northern Ruins.

Before delving into the details, keep several things in mind.

This all happened because two staff members, Min and Yolk, quit after not being allowed to discuss the idea of compensation for hundreds of hours of work in just the past few months. We just quit after leaving behind a notice of resignation with grievances in only the mod server. The goal was never to hurt Northern Ruins because despite all this, we still dearly loved it and, above all, its community. Northern Ruins contained so many friends that we would not want to hurt just because we were quitting. The only one who had the power to delete the servers was Aug despite what he has been relaying to people. And keep in mind, he has yet to release a comprehensive statement just explaining things to the people caught in the crossfire of his decisions.

Also note, Aug has not made any attempt to directly contact Min nor Yolk after quitting. Min has not been available for contact since the stress of the situation has landed them in the ER so lack of contact with Min might be excusable. However, Yolk has always been open to civil conversation and has told such to each and every messenger Aug has sent his way. Almost every messenger seemed to also think that Min and Yolk were at some fault for the servers being taken down or for the supposed destruction of Northern Ruins. As said previously, we merely quit because of lack of compensation. The only thing that was directly changed was that Min repossessed unpaid decorative code that they wrote and are the rightful owner of. Min left a lot of the code they themselves paid for along with other things on the site despite everything to make sure the site stayed perfectly functional with the database intact.

All destructive actions are by Aug’s hand only.

Plus, it was by his suggestion Yolk quit initially and Min followed soon after.

While Aug will repeatedly say he would have given compensation if he had known, he was the one who did not even want to discuss it in the first place. That is an undeniable fact. The issue is not a matter of money but rather a matter of fairness, transparency, and attitude. Aug does not entertain the idea of compensation in a transparent manner but instead opts to try to push it off till later. Compensation desired wasn’t even necessarily monetary but since he did not even want to discuss it, he would not have known. Min, who spent hundreds of dollars out of pocket, deserves monetary compensation especially considering their personal situation that Aug is completely aware of. Yolk did not want monetary compensation but rather wanted pets, items, and/or slots that were higher than common. But, again, Aug did not want to discuss compensation and therefore would not have known by his own choice. Note, previous staff-wide compensation was a single common slot. The only scaled compensation was a single Aspirith slot for Min. Compensation was not repeated nor otherwise scaled per work time. ONLY slots for compensation is a slap in the face since it requires work to truly get the benefit. Those bogged down by work by Northern Ruins or otherwise or even personal life would not really get any benefit from the slots at all. He also claims that the privilege to do adopts when he chooses to do them is compensation ignoring the fact that creating the adopts in itself is work. The price of an adopt pays for the adopt’s creation. It does not pay for the cost of the assets done. It does not pay for the cost of the site. It does not pay for the time spent on work for Northern Ruins outside of the adopt.

But, these words are nothing without the evidence to back them up. Aug, we know you keep telling people your version of the truth. So, we will tell our truth with the evidence to back it up.

If you wish to know the truth behind the issue at hand, this link will take you there.

If any questions come up, feel free to comment on the linked sheet. Since some of the images may be small, it is recommended to view it in presentation format. Imgur links will be added later to ease reading. For the sake of not overwhelming people, please do not DM any party involved! Additionally, please do not harass Aug. Even if we have issues with him, we do not want to cause him unneeded trouble in that regard. To be transparent, this letter and the attached compilation of evidence have been created and curated by Yolk. In order to ease the reading process, I have been referring to myself in third person. Min has had a limited amount of input regarding this because they have been hospitalized and are still ongoing treatment. Further details regarding their personal health will not be given at this time to respect their privacy.

Thank you for your time in reading this.

〔Edit 9-May-2021〕

Steve from Gumroad finally learns to read.

"If you haven't gotten your refund yet, you purchased through Gumroad, and you are being ghosted or dismissed by Komugitsune, please email [email protected] directly to get your refunds. They will process the refunds for you."

Gumroad is now giving out refunds!

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! ! ! ONGOING BREAKING OF TOS AND POTENTIAL SCAMMING ! ! !

Aug is currently upselling several designs despite not adding to their value via commissioned work or through any other valid means.

Upselling Eeray

Upselling Diab

NotDamien's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

SnorkMaiden's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Traded Design

Heelies's Statement on Sell Value of Designs

Upselling Gifted Design

If you wish to keep track of what he is attempting to sell and to see if anything might have inflated sell values, the link to his trade/sell thread is below. If you find something that may have inflated value, please report it and make a comment on his thread about it so more people can know. If you wish to, you can also comment here and I will add it to the list here.

Komugitsune's Trade/Sale Thread

EDIT: Image Transcription of Slides

PDF Version of Slide (Note: this will not be updated as fast but will be updated alongside the original.)

〔Edit 3-May-2021〕:

I'm adding this edit here since Aug decided, in a relatively confusing move, to lie blatantly on his site about the situation. Considering that, the following links will be added for ease of access to emphasize what he has had a direct hand in. This has gone beyond an issue concerning former staff since it has deeply affected many people unrelated to the original grievances I wrote. I sincerely hope this will help open more eyes to the issue.

I will preface with two important links.

Evidence submission form

This form is to collect formal evidence against komugitsune (Aug). As of right now, we are prioritizing gathering evidence of financial malpractice in order to strengthen cases against him in PayPal and Gumroad. However, if you have evidence of him doing any unsavory acts, we welcome that as well.

Please share this twitter link on the issue.

I have been informed that the issue is not well known outside of TH so it would be wonderful if you can spread the word outside.

Proof that Aug threatened Min and I with police action as well as that Red and Damien did not lie about it.

Please note for posterity that this was done in a midst of a spike in anti-Asian crime. Both Min and I are Asian. Threats of police, in itself, is not a joke. But threatening it in this climate is horrendous especially considering he knows both of our addresses as well as the addresses of many others.

Min's statements against Aug's allegations

Persistent lack of communication

I would like to note that Aug has still never attempted to directly contact me and has blocked me everywhere instead.

Cutting off communication avenues

It has been documented that Rook has been aiding with refunds as well as trying to be an avenue of communication between Aug and everyone else since he refuses to communicate directly. Since they have been cut off, Aug has effectively decided he would rather not face the allegations against him. Aug seems to have been using them as a scapegoat for failed refunds.

Proof of selling traced Picrew design

He sold this to me when we were still friends and he had the picrew image hidden.

More traced art

Chargeback issues as well as Aug's indecision regarding NR

I don't know why Aug doesn't seem to be settled on what will happen to NR. But I will note his waffling on it seems to correlate with his waffling on refunds.

Proof Aug said despeciesing applies to Official designs

Aug lying about refund issues

I, and others, have experienced this. Aug has repeatedly been trying to lie on paypal about "nobody" trying to communicate with him. He's blocked most people seeking refunds so the only avenue of communication is PayPal where he, again, seems adamant on lying.

Aug blocking those requesting refunds

It should be noted this wasn't a chargeback but a formal request for a refund. Basically, chargebacks seem to be the only valid avenue at this point.

Spaceghostess

"Also no as someone who also lives on food stamps, the point is completely valid, because people are always bitching about how I use them when I can't afford to buy my own food half the time. :)"

.... No? You are comparing food stamps, something that people fight for, have to routinely reapply for, have to struggle to keep, and have to use on very specific items that qualify for the system to... Spending $300 on a gacha game for a 5* character that will be reintroduced into the game as another banner multiple times in the future and that many people just saved primogems to get for free. The two are incomparable. 

There was no reason for you to bring food stamps up in the least to make your point. 

huathorne

ghiaccio Ah, I'll try to create a PDF version for download. Thank you for letting me know! I assumed it was only on my side (hence why I started having friends help with updating the slides)

I'll ping you again when the PDF is ready

mitheal

ghiaccio i had the same issue, but turning off my ad blocker (if you also have one) helped remedy it! otherwise I’m told using a different browser might be necessary

MANTISPIRE

Guys - if someone /does work for you/ you owe them money before spending it on a game. Food is literally entirely different than fucking genshin. I'm really disappointed to hear that they haven't compensated their mods for full-time work even after treating them so poorly. They should really face consequences for this and it really is unfortunate that people are defending these actions. 


Aug if you are reading this, you are being an active danger to these people on TOP of being greedy and ungrateful for the hard work they've done for you. I know firsthand that Min, at least, worked their ass off to make your world successful, and you owe them AND yolk so much. 

huathorne

sukoshi For the modbatches, mods could keep all money earned. The only time that was not the case was if you were making a Valentine's Day pairing batch that had one of the mods be a parent. In this case, the mod had to pay Aug the price of a MYO slot to keep one.

SilverKnight

If someone complains that they can't pay someone and then the first thing they do is say they spent 300 fucking dollars on a gacha game, then yes, it's a massive damn problem.

That money should have gone towards the people that were working for them and were actively creating them a profit (through the creation of prompts, management of the website, coding etc, and as far as I've seen all the money from slot sales aside from a measly 100$ ONCE was entirely kept by komugitsune), not towards a game. 

It's not rocket science.

lonely-kaijuu

It is an unfair comparison because treating yourself to things like buying a new phone, replacing clothes, getting a working car or going out to dinner isn't the same as spending $300 on a gacha game. If Aug has been vocal about the fact he cannot offer monetary compensation to anyone why is he throwing hundreds of dollars away on a game and then being vocal about it? If he knew that his volunteers/employees have been wanting some sort of payment for their work why would he go and do that, did he not think anyone would notice? No one is saying he has to justify all his purchases but it seems kind of unfair to use his situation as an excuse and then do something like that. You can't possibly expect people not to take issue with this? And a lot of CS communities reward their mods with a lot of cs-related things. People don't usually just do work like this for absolutely no pay whatsoever. Just because someone volunteers to do work doesn't mean you're allowed to overwork them and exploit the fact they're volunteering? 

From the slides alone it just seems like Aug is unwilling to take a leadership role in all of this and is not taking responsibility for his part in how all this unfolded. It is pretty obvious that there were multiple attempts at discussing compensation and he just kept putting it off. You can only do that so long before people leave, which Yolk and Min did which is 100% justified

CHR0NOSTASIS

I just think it's funny that aug claims to know the trauma poc feel that stem from the police when defending his bestie who said In the northern ruins server of all places that saying acab was comparable to the targeting that lgbt+ people face.

And then he turns around and threatens to get in contact with the police because (checks notes) Min removed the coding they did and were not paid for

Its almost like it was never about protecting the poc members of the chat when he said that? And that he just wanted to save his image? Woah!

moonilymoth

fortuneyolk no worries i completely understand and respect the privacy of those involved, but tysm for the sceeenshots! i didn't need anything super extensive since I believe yall anyways. I just felt itd be best for everyone for there to be at least one instance of proof with aug saying that since its pretty serious;;; those screens are more than enough and i rly hope you two stay safe

huathorne

ghiaccio i hope this works! for the best view, please download and view in fullscreen if possible

https://sta.sh/018u4j5skxx3

if you have further issues, please let me know!

moonilymoth its np! i knew that would be a potential point of contention when i asked my friend to notify people so you're not in the wrong at all for asking for proof. if anything, im just happy my friend was comfortable enough to allow me to show that screenshot as well as that hitch commented as well

zuckerr

ghiaccio I'm so sorry for the ping but i went ahead and made a PDF link for you to download ;; v ;; hope that you can see it now~

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775164004548476958/831946235245101066/a_compilation_of_evidence.pdf

edit: NVM yolk already did it aaa but here is for anyone who has troubles whatsover seeing it ;;;