PSA | sharing since I was also effected

Posted 2 months, 20 days ago by SUIT

https://toyhou.se/~bulletins/1746572.quick-psa-sheller-jodora-mass-chargebacks

https://toyhou.se/~bulletins/1746606.scammer-alert-jodora

I am out ***$140 due to them, I refunded every transaction I had with them because I was afraid of having to deal with paypal charge backs!! 

Will absolutely be transparent; this is why I had to open commissions again today as well as why I updated a character from "pend" to a flat sale price.

Thank you!!



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Gill is reporting that they have begun reversals of the chargebacks. Will you factor reversals into the calculator?

Yes, I'll be factoring those into the calculator if the artists affected will show proof/evidence that the money went back into their account!! (or if I get screenshot proof that chargebacks have been closed!!) 

aux

hello! my $25 case is still open but the $70 one has been closed (https://toyhou.se/~comments/32590946) so if you do decide to do calculator subtractions, that one of mine can be subtracted! (absolutely no pressure though, just scurrying around to give my update--i think with how many cases have come up, doing the calculator all over again but in reverse sounds like a lot of work! thank you for doing the original calculator and making it clear to everyone just how huge this was!)

and also while I'm here--this link is for US paypal so im not sure about international sellers, but mine show up as Unauthorized Transaction disputes so the dispute fee would have hopefully been waived regardless:

The Standard Dispute Fee will be waived for Inquiries in the PayPal Resolution Center that aren't escalated to a claim, those that are resolved amicably between the buyer and the seller, or those filed to PayPal directly as an Unauthorized transaction.
 https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/what-is-the-paypal-dispute-fee-and-why-was-i-charged-one-help349  

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Quick question, are the dispute fees being included in the calculator? 

https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/how-is-the-dispute-rate-calculated-and-how-do-i-avoid-being-charged-a-dispute-fee-help350

I'm not sure if paypal ever got rid of the fee, but in 2023 they updated their terms where people who are disputed lost an additional $20 as a fee (and apparently more depending on how many transactions you've done)

Dispute fees are not being included! This is just a raw collection of how much has been promised/taken from jodora directly 

With dispute fees included; the total amount that is hitting artists in this situation is going to be much much higher obviously !!!

The fact the calculator just keeps ticking up and there's no confirmation from anyone that they're getting their money back 😭

Wow.. commenting here from the bulletin where you're adding up the total they scammed. This is beyond insane. Thank you for calculating and compiling this so far.

Maybe you should add long side the total amount, the total number of artists scammed.

Update from their twitter, looks like they're trying to reverse the chargebacks?

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just a small thing, i saw in the forum PSA thread that this account was also theirs? 

report link JIC: https://toyhou.se/~tickets/create/user/28774

im so sorry this is happening to everyone...

they bought a $90 character from me last month and i havent had any chargebacks as of right now (maybe cause i used invoice? T_T) 

seeing the amount they owe is seriously worrying

Holy shit, my heart goes to you all. This is absolutely insane and I'm praying that PayPal can help you solve this, I can't even imagine how insane this must be. I'm hoping everything works out well ;;

amount to be added to THIS POST reply here please


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Bought one of my adopts for $30 on the 14th. just discovered how huge this whole thing is. jesus I hope everyone gets their money back

they bought and oc designed by gekos for 25 usd on feb 14th, they filed a chargeback today

aux

hello! I'm currently down -$25 for the chargeback case as of this morning.

they also sent me a $70 eCheck on Feb 25th for a different design--I immediately replied that I don't accept eChecks and asked them to cancel the check, but it's still pending and will probably hit me with a second chargeback as soon as it tries to clear. I called Paypal and the representative confirmed that neither Paypal nor I can cancel or block the unwanted eCheck, which is unfortunate

I'm having the same problem with the echeck thing and it really really sucks. They didn't say anything before hand to tell me the payment would be by echeck they just sent it without saying anything and it's something I have literally never dealt with in my like 5 years of doing commissions online ~ _ ~ !!!!

they bought my adopt for $66 (including tip) on the 14th of february and filed a case today 😅 it tickled me that they had already resold it too and then asked for a refund ... bah!

NOOOO OMG I'M SO SAD TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS TOO!! Your designs and art are amazing I'm so sad they got you too!!!!!! this entire situation is just getting bigger and bigger!!

baby's first scammer!! 😂😂😂

literally   I've been doing commissions online for like 5 years and this is the first time I've ever had to deal with something like! Whatever this is!!!!!!!!!

I had an amount of $25 but I refunded them another design of $120 in case they decided to chargeback after they had traded it away

Talking for my friend Kurose_chan on IG They just charge backed $40 a few hours ago even though we refunded them already on Saturday. So now they have $80.

It was for 2 icon commissions :/// Let me know if you need screenshots as well.

screenshots would be awesome!! Thank you so much!!

Currently at work I get home in around 3-4 hours! I mediated between them because they ordered on Skype so the convos will be between me and them

+ my friend reacting to the chargeback

+50$ echeck my friend mithra v_v they sold her a design for more than worth (base worth 300, sold for 350$) explaining it as a mistake and placing echeck. (this is also design they chargeback chuchy for)

They commissioned me for 105$ in two payments, both transactions have been pending since the 24th. I assume they were eChecks instead of credit payments as they claimed due to how long they're taking to clear.

Bought an evu design from me for $180 USD, they sent the $107 on the 24th but the $75 was put on hold on the 23rd, chargebacked me today

friend of mine tweeted about a $200 commission chargeback, and continued in the thread about how it relates to this user. info here!!

https://twitter.com/miyabau/status/1762252214712828354

LOL ty aimee 😢 chargebacked $220 total from a feb 15 invoice from me!

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They purchased an old design I made for $25 + character trade on 16th Feb. got chargeback for $25 today

Luckily I was warned before any damage could’ve been done + I confronted them abt the pending charge + the dispute they filed (to which they went radio silent) but they were going to commission me for 2 customs, 1 a redesign and another a whole original design for $200. I have photos and screenshots of the convos to back it up. They struck me as odd immediately since they kept coming up with excuses for delayed payment and were switching the character they wanted me to redesign more than once per day

hiu

they bought one of my designs for $20+$80 pending e-check the payment was sent on the 25th of feb and i received a chargeback for the $20 earlier today..

i had no idea what e-checks were until recently 😭 had i known i would’ve rejected it..

I was reselling a design I didn’t really click with and we agreed on 55 on feb 12

(Question if anybody can help, if PayPal doesn’t take my side do I submit a ticket under stolen character or something else?)

if they still own the character then yes you should submit a ticket probably right away!! so they don't get a chance to resell the design before you can take them back ^^

That’s the thing I don’t know if they do since it’s private now. But I’ll try and submit a ticket 

Evu

Hello. They purchased my Adopt on the 25th for $65 and I received a chargeback. I didn't receive any notification from Paypal, probably because it was covered by the echeck hold period, but I received the chargeback before I knew it😢 I hope everyone gets their money back

sorry if this is random! I believe the design they ab from you was the one they wanted me to “redesign” to align with another oc of theirs and in retrospect it’s honestly so eerie that at that time I had absolutely no clue it was stolen…. They had also asked me to redesign other designs as well that I’m certain were likely stolen

Evu

I can't believe that such a thing could happen. It's really sad that my design was stolen and even more sad that the stolen design was used in a scam...

im so sorry :( im thankful i caught onto it before anything couldve been done i just wish others could say the same

Evu

There is no need for you to apologize. I am glad that even you were not harmed!

mai

thanks so much for doing this, i can't believe how much money theyve scammed holy shit.... i know i've been added to the list (tysm btw ;w;) but here is my kofi if you'd like to add it! https://ko-fi.com/maimai

hi there! they ordered two $25 custom adopts from me recently - one on the 13th Feb that I'd delivered (and they were happy with), one two days ago that I'd only finished a sketch for when I received the chargeback for both. I'm disputing the earlier one since the work was completed, but I've already refunded the more recent one ;;

They bought two characters from me totaling up to 43.65 in chargebacks 😬

Ö also forgot to add my ko fi

https://ko-fi.com/piqop

Adopt resale of $67 (They "sent" $70) But it never went through so no charge back. It said the person's bank denied the transfer.

Sorry but if it never went through, and theres no charge back or pending payment/pending echeck I can't add it to the calculator! This is only for charges that jodora has either charged back/gotten refunded to them due to scare/ or tried to pay off via floating an echeck!!!

oh ok! no problem, sorry! (you can delete my comment!)

Commissioned me for a $95 usd 3d diorama and then asked for a refund i couldnt give them the next day. I couldnt give them one because their payment is pending and theres no options to pick on pp 🥲

This is not to hurt Sheller, sorry, but to add to the record... Hello, I completed a sketch commission and received two payments $20+$3 (commission is $15, tip is $8). These received chargeback.

For safety reasons, it seems that I should pay them back for commissions that I haven't started yet (it's not written here) Thank you for your work!

It seems that ko-fi can be shared! This is not my ko-fi, it’s a friend’s cat rescue shelter: https://ko-fi.com/catterbox

They're commissioning custom from me for 80$ (supposed to be 100$ but I feel bad to charge more). Got half before draft and another half after draft sketch.

Just finish the custom ystd and alrd sent them the file when I'm suddenly getting a chargeback (40$). Here's proof: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679348164230381576/1212363979662434314/Screenshot_2024-02-28-17-48-54-130_com.discord.jpg?ex=65f190f1&is=65df1bf1&hm=e678c7167d0f54ffe2a2d4d8938a91eb87b4deefe32e0ed6f9e3e0431242ffb5&

Adding my kofi thank you for this ToT (https://ko-fi.com/eishun29)

Hi just want to make sure!! Had they only sent the $40 (that was charged back) and never sent the other $40; to make the total $80 that was agreed on? Also your work is very nice you should totally be willing to charge more!!!!

The other 40$ safely received and the other half only getting chargeback! 

(so yes I only got 40$) 

thank you sm!! <3

Updated! Case closed and I go the money back~

Bought an adopt resell from me for $35 on the 15th and filed a chargeback on the 26th =_= They were also trying to haggle on a more expensive adopt, but after telling them that I can only take off a few dollars due to commercial uses included, they told me that they would need more time to think about it and haven't pursued it anymore since.

hi letting u know! if you're still updating this but the pending $250 eCheck on my paypal has been cancelled so you can now cross out my name on the calculator

Thank you so much for letting me know this!! I will update it when I get the chance!! Thank you! 

Hi sorry to bother, they did confirm that the echeck bounced but that the invoice is renewed on paypal (?? I'm not sure; going off their response on the calculator) 

but they said they have no plans on paying it

edit: this was the wrong cancelled invoice, sorry. the other one seemed to have been renewed, just canceled it.

the invoice is not renewed on paypal. it’s cancelled permanently and i haven’t sent a new invoice to them since

[took down the image since it wasn’t the right invoice]

hi hi again sorry i needed to correct myself since i checked the wrong invoice — looks like the invoice did get renewed, just canceled it on my end.

Update for me: pending echeck failed and nulled on the second try, got offered compensation from gill to which i declined.

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Oh I’m so sorry this happened to you!! 😭 I hope you can make your money back soon;;

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I'm hoping so too!!!!! Im distraught at how many artists are involved!!!!

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THERES A TWITTER THREAD?!?!?!??!?? if possible could you link me if theres a twitter thread????

Thank you for wanting to message me and looking out for me!!!

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Thank you so so much. This situation is getting so crazy

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honestly thanks for resharing these since they just charged me back today >_> ive opened a ticket about them on the vgen server so hopefully they get banned or something?

I also reported them on vgen!!!!!! I'm getting really shocked and upset at how many artists were affected and just how. weird. this situation is getting. lets go toyhouse I guess!

oh shit. a couple days ago they tried to buy sth from me and then backed out so... i guess im glad they backed out?