Artist pet peeves master thread

i briefly commented on this in another thread but i found out this thread exists so i guess its better here.

i HATE anyone and everyone who refuses to learn how to draw other body types.

im not saying that i hate people who struggle with drawing other body types. like i see a million artists who dont know how to draw muscles and thats fine. i commend them actually for trying their best. i also didnt learn in a day, my art in 2018 vs now is like a single drop of water vs an entire ocean.

but i Despise people who refuse to try to improve their style to the point they butcher other characters because of it. its way too often that i see people who take a character who is canonically beefy (even if the source material is cartoony/chibi) and then draw them like a fucking stick. i see it with fat characters too, but admittedly less often because i guess people are actually aware that fatphobia is a thing now.

to me an artist who actually tries to draw fat/beefy people, even if they fail miserably, are 100x better than artists who refuse to try because it doesnt fit their style, or they think they suck, or what the hell ever.

unless art is a secondary thing, like how a lot of people are more writers/musicians than artists so they dont take it seriously, to me an artist who doesnt want to improve is a shit artist. no ifs or buts.

Something that I hate about the art community as a whole is the obsession with the youth. Like, there are a lot of 16 y/o kids who can draw beautiful things and are so "fast and quirky" on Insta reels and TikTok, which is fine, I don't care about that, but then there are artists on their 20's, some past mid-20's who are disillusioned because these children can draw better than them at such a young age. The problem with this is that then every artist seen on the internet is assumed to be very young and that causes security issues to those who are slower or whose art style is not as well developed.

This came to my mind some time ago when I was browsing Japanese artists on Skeb and I realized that a lot of them take over a month to deliver a finished commission and the quality of their work is beyond astonishing; and not only that, but most of them turned out to be over 25, 30, 40 or even 50 years old! If I'm honest, seeing old artists' works from time to time works well as a reality-check. Not all artists are 16 y/o children on TikTok; old artists exist, and it may take decades of dedicated study and discipline to get where they are today; it's okay to be over 25 and still be refining your work and style; and specially, most artists don't take less than a week to finish a complex artwork; the minimum turn-around time I've seen in most professional artists anywhere isn't less than a month and a half. Following such a hasty work flow at such pace will inevitably end in permanent injuries to the artists. Just because they're young and don't notice it now doesn't mean it won't happen to them sooner than they expect.

I swear to God, the art community is so hyperfixated on the most horrible and long-term degenerating habits it sickens me to approach, especially in the western side that for some reason idolizes exceedingly talented children and all the attention and overstimulation they get from it in social media only incentivizes them to maintain terrible art production habits.

@aatroxbernardus maybe you should think about properly crediting those picrews before judging other people's art, style, and efforts kek. an artist that doesnt properly credit art is a shit artist 

^^ i dont think thats exactly an issue with the art community in specific as much as its literally just... capitalism at work.

younger artists drawing quickly and in bulk = money making machine at a young age, baby

like a lot of issues with the way the "art community" (how the hell is there an art community anyway) is just. capitalism. and its not even restricted to the pace you can pump out art on instagram either. "way too many artists nowadays are cold and unloving and distant" i cant deny that sometimes it really is a problem with the individual but thats like 75% capitalisms fault lol

TikTok artists being extremely aggressive and guilt-trippy. No need to complain about getting 100k likes instead of 1m, just draw that realistic eye or a portrait of Billie Elish or some random fruit and let people like your stuff without feeling forced to engage with someone you don’t even know and happened to get on your FYP. And the sad part is some of these artists are over the age of 20 and act like an entitled 12 y/o.

idk if I should post these here but

I hate ppl who offer a LOT of art for ur character and makes u hold em for like a month and u have to send 50 dms to get a reply like "oh. I lost motivation and interest. sorry. "

im basically not pointing towards anyone but it just happens right.....

AND ppl in art trades spending AGES to finish (sorry sometimes I procrastinate a lot or forget about the whole thing but I finish my part asap, especially the other person has already finished it...... IF thing are going on properly irl )

and basically I think drawing and stuff is like for *profit only* which just makes me (who cant use PayPal or Cashapp or whatever) mad :(

and when ppl tell u to go wild in ur art and then give u like 100 dms about how to fix the details, like what's the whole go wild point about???????

again, not saying this against anyone, dont feel offended if we interacted before and u feel like u did this-------

aatroxbernardus: Yeah, sure, capitalism, I agree, but I think that's a very reductionist argument all in all, and I don't think the solution has to be directly related with economic systems as much as it has to be with nurture. Lots of people don't have any kind of formal artistic education nor understand the meaning of creating art and use it as a hobby, thus they follow trends; now combining this lack of education with 5 minutes of internet fame, you get the perfect breeding grounds for these bad habits. Sure, the art rush can be compared to the fast-fashion that is mass-produced cheap products that will become trash in the end, which is inherently capitalist, but again, I don't think the solution to the problem can be reached just by looking where to blame, and I don't want to get into deeper stuff because it's unrelated. What I think could or should be done is teach these kids and people about art, the history, culture and origins of it all, teach them to appreciate the craftmanship that goes with it and that art should be treated like something unique. Lots of people don't see art like the luxury it actually is because they think it's easy to do, after all, everybody knows a buddy who draws, and there are tutorials everywhere on the internet, so most assume it isn't as difficult, thus not as valuable.

The problem isn't just capitalism, it is education.

TheEliBog: Similarly, I've seen a trend of artists on Twitter crying about their art not getting enough likes and treating their followers like shit because their last post didn't get over 1K likes within the first 20 minutes of publication. I think that if people are so hungry for that kind of validation they should probably get that checked, and I mean it, those are some issues right there.

+1 on artists complaining about not getting "Enough" Likes. Bonus points if they have 5,000+ followers already and/or the post they're complaining about gets 600 instead of 700 or similar. MF you're already popular

OT: Art Storage issues is pain. Physical art takes up a lot of space when you have a shit ton of studies, sketchbooks, originals, etc. and Portfolio bags & folders get pricey as hell. Making my own boxes gets hard when the pics I need to store are larger than most of the stuff I can find. It doesn't get better with digital either. Sure the 2mb-20mb files may look small but multiply that by a ton of different works, different OG files, scrapped vers, etc. and that starts to add up (not helped by PC part shortages either)

>I was browsing Japanese artists on Skeb and I realized that a lot of them take over a month to deliver a finished commission and the quality of their work is beyond astonishing; and not only that, but most of them turned out to be over 25, 30, 40 or even 50 years old!

artist on skeb take long cause they have other projects going on. most likely the actual comm was done in a few days. if they're old then they've probably been at it for a while, i doubt any of them started at 25 or later.

Definitely agree with you, remyfiism I've done way too many art trades and the person takes months to finish or they just vanish from existence. This is just a big pet peeve that I'm tired of seeing artists pull. 

Spoiler for a long ass story/rant

I don't understand what's so bad about boobs or why people hate them so much. Sure, I get not liking overly exaggerated breasts - I don't dig them either -, but it's coming to a point that every so often I see people who just don't seem to give a shit about character design, aesthetics and stylization, and start crying with torches, pitchforks and bibles at the mere sight of some random anime woman with big tiddy. It also irritates me that most of these boba haters usually hold a double standard where if they draw a female character with a simplified chest that's an artistic choice and stylization, but characters from movies, videogames or comics with big, defined breasts are anatomically wrong, would not move easily with those, their backs would break, and so on and so on.

Yeah, I get it, I have a pair of my own too, but people are getting too worked-up over stupid drawings of people that don't exist. 

“Help other artists” threads but only POC, LGBTQ or women are allowed to post in them. Never understood why we have to divide a simple thing like supporting each other into smaller groups. Isnt the amazing thing about being and artist that you’re anonymous and therefore nobody can discriminate against you? Or at least that’s what I always thought.

If someone made the same threads for straight or white men, everyone would be furious. Being bisexual and a woman myself, I’ve never felt a need for segregation in the art community through posts like that. It ruins the spirit of helping everyone to help the politically correct ones.

The more I check instagram, the less motivated I am to post my art on there. Its just really draining and demotivating sometimes.