The OC and art community works on a bit of a honor system. While legally one is allowed to do whatever they want with their characters, it's considered very rude to sell stuff you got for free or via a trade unless the artist that made the design says they don't mind. So, like, while they legally can resell their trades, most people see that as breaking the community code of honor.
A lot of people, myself included, tend to avoid users who resell trades without adding something to their value. Especially if the person is break an artist's ToS. To me it feels disrespectful to resell an OC you got for free because it's like you are telling the previous owner or artist 'Look! I can money from this but you can't!' which is honestly very insulting.
Now, obviously the artist(s) and previous owner(s) can't really do much. The person's not breaking laws and taking back designs is illegal. But they can warn others who don't want to do business with folk that resell freebs and trades about such behavior so they can avoid them.
I originally posted this on the main PSA thread but have been encouraged to make it a proper public PSA.
I've encountered an issue with the user Skullkin trying to resell characters that were traded to them.
I traded designs with them a while ago, exchanging them an anthro rabbit design by Lagena for an anthro design that they had. I had been originally traded the anthro rabbit design myself and the ownership page rights were specifically set to reflect that the design could be retraded and regifted but not resold. I noticed today though that the design was pending a sale to another user and I commented on the page to notify them that the character could not be resold, only traded. My comment was deleted. So I reposted my comment and Skullkin responded claiming that because I did not specifically tell them that it couldn't be resold, that they had the right to resell it. They claimed that they had a right to resell any design they owned. I remember an issue similar to this popping up in the past with someone having their own TOS for trades to give themself the ability to resell anything.
So I guess this is a small PSA to watch out for Skullkin who will resell designs that you trade to them, whether they are allowed for resell or not.
Screenshot of Character Page
Character Ownership Page That clearly shows that resales are not allowed.
Conversation Screenshot 01
Conversation Screenshot 02
Conversation Screenshot 03
Conversation Screenshot 04
It was at this point in the conversation that they blocked me.
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Since our interaction Skullkin has now deleted the character completely and reuploaded it to change credits as they please.
They have not given proper credit to the original artist, have changed the rights to resell to approve, and labeled themself artist of the art.
POST BY USER kye ON THE PSA THREAD IN RESPONSE TO MY POST VERIFYING THIS (LINK)
actually I think you should. i went to go take a look at their account and they reuploaded the character you're talking about so the character permissions are set to can be resold. screenshot album link. new character page link.
it looks like they just did that too and were in the process of reuploading all the art when I nabbed screenshots. maybe you could let the original designer know what's going on? if you know who it is ofc
POST BY USER SquidsInTheAttic ON THE PSA THREAD IN RESPONSE TO MY POST VERIFYING THIS (LINK)
Skullkin has since deleted the character Candyghouls traded them, left off the original artist and is now putting themselves down as the artist of all of the art on the character. The ownership page now reads that they can gift, trade or resell the character.
I've linked the original and re-uploaded pages. I've since reported the re-upload to the admins. Please note there are nsfw images on the pages as I've left them unedited.
https://sta.sh/21qg770b7mwa?edit=1
Re-uploaded character: https://toyhou.se/2911845.pending
_______________________________________________________I have sent a PM to Lagena directly to ask about their adopt TOS and if it okay for Skullkin to be selling the design or not.
I will update this with Lagena's response as soon as I receive one.
I have received a response from Lagena confirming that resell is NOT ALLOWED.
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THEY HAVE MADE A NEW ACCOUNT WITH A NEW NAME BUT ARE STILL CONTINUING TO BREAK ARTIST TOS AND DODGE BLOCKS
You can read more about it on Lagena's post here:https://toyhou.se/~forums/5867.service-reviews/81366.psa-beware-user-skullkin-reselling-trades?page=2#post-3053746
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THEY HAVE MADE A NEW ACCOUNT AND ARE FOLLOWING THIS PSA TO BLOCK PEOPLE WHO COMMENT ON IT
Their latest account: https://toyhou.se/starboundlion
Proof they are stalking my PSA and the posts here: https://toyhou.se/~forums/5867.service-reviews/81366.psa-beware-user-skullkin-hammerlockestadium?page=3#post-3189420
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PROOF THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING THEIR WAYS AND STILL INTEND TO SELL DESIGNS EVEN IF IT BREAKS AN ARTIST TOS
This post: https://toyhou.se/~forums/5867.service-reviews/81366.psa-beware-user-skullkin-hammerlockestadium?page=3#post-3189657
And this lovely message on their Hammerlockestadium account.
Ohhh that's not what I meant.
I understand if you gift it to someone or if they lie to you or guilt trip you and say they 'really really' wanted it that's shitty tbh.
But I thought you guys were talking about it like it was illegal or something, because you're giving all rights to the person and all and you have no control over what happens as upsetting as if can be. Sorry for mistaking it.
Oh shit, I had no clue that was Skullkin. There's been some drama about a design of mine regarding them, though I don't even know how to fully put it all into words. Jist of it is my design now exists twice on site and they never could provide proof they got it from the person I originally designed it for. (It also. Should not have been sold for USD because it was made for a petsite currency.) Gave me some story about "please don't contact the person who uploaded it because they're a danger to themselves & everyone around them", whatever the fuck that means in regards to owning a design??
This is all kinds of upsetting to see.
Will block and hope I never bump into them again I guess
HomoLudens can you report both uploads? Or at least the reupload?
I will also be blocking this person. I hope the creator of this thread is still on TH so they can update the name of the user on here otherwise people might not realize it's the same user =(
I don't even know which one to report, honestly. There was an original upload at some point that had my TH account credited; it was uploaded by someone who WASN'T Skullkiin. However, both of the existing uploads of the design are both created by them. Furthermore there's now someone who's trying to resell it and they seem like an innocent caught in the crossfire. I just gave the person who has one copy of the design the link to this & the other beware. Dunno what to do outside of that, because apparently the other person who has a copy is "extremely dangerous" lmfao last thing I need is a teenager coming at me
Oh, jeez. =( I hope you're able to figure out which is the copy and I hope this person stops their thievery.