Fandom/Kins Rules Update Feedback Box

im all for banning characters that are literally just the character with zero changes cuz like... you dont get to own Sasuke LMAO

Not sure on banning derived characters cuz a lot of people with kinsonas arent trying to own the character, just have it to represent themselves ? idk that one's kind of tricky and i dont have a pretty solid opinion on it tbh;;

I def don't agree on banning fandom OCs at all cuz it's basically just fans trying to be closer to the universe and wanting a character to be a part of it ? i see nothing wrong with that at all hfjkla cuz it's not like you're claiming anything or copying, just inserting a character into an already existing universe 

I agree with +Minty-Fivestar , +Antimoany , +Waltz , +Lunamoth19 , +iHolli , +BlueRocketMouse , +oathfell , +xxtheblackcatxx , +Whitefire (wildfire not as strongly but overall agree)

I honestly think this is a super slippery hill and that it should be taken slowly.

I agree with RedRareBits and Kogami

+1 to banning Canon characters as a majority of the time they're just exactly the character. +1 to banning redesigns of Canon characters (Naruto as a dog is a common example.) +1 to Banning inspired designs of Canon characters if only information from the canonical character is being used on a inspired design. If the inspired design go off as their own thing I feel that it's alright to some extent. >Allow MCs >Allow Characters in Canonical settings, as this isn't causing a canonical character to be ripped off or anything of the sort in any way. >Allow Ocs of Canonical settings (Pokemon Gajinkas/ Feral Pokemon) as they are only the species and not entirely copying the canonical characters and can have their own stories that doesn't have to follow canonical stories. They are still original in some way.

+1 to canon characters

+1 canon characters as dogs and shit

-1 to MCs (if 100% customisable like w/ skyrim bc that's literally made to be UR character, like other ppl are saying if it's just frisk it's not the same thing u may as well be uploading a canon character)

-1 fandom OCs

not rly a surprise coming from me, but still the same as what almost everyone else is saying

+1 ban to canon characters
+1 ban to canon character as furries/animals/etc

basically anything that uses a canon character should be banned and thats just what i think

+1 to banning the posting of canon characters and redesigns of canon characters as animals/other things please. -1 Vote to the banning of all other derivative works. As someone who makes a metric ton of fan characters, no longer being able to post them to Toyhouse/Loosing their information if they are banned is a terrifying idea after putting so much work into them. 

Would also like to add that I don't like the idea of policing characters and banning them if they have similar backstories/personalities, ect of canon characters simply because I don't believe it's possible to copyright a personality or backstory. I don't believe copying a canon character intentionally is right, but coincidences happen, and I'd hate to see someone lose their character just because it somehow resembles a canon character they've never seen.

To add on to this, I am still anti full canon characters but a lot of people seem upset about fandom characters being sold. Maybe instead of banning a character that looks fan based instead you could tag it as Fandom Character which auto sets it as can’t trade/sell. That way people who have built up characters who say have loki’s helm or armor similar to iron man or caps shield don’t just get deleted.

Also if this isn’t due to copyright issues is it fair to say what characters someone can have? That’s a rabbit hole waiting to happen. For one if a person can’t make a human into an animal why should it be ok to make a non human into a human, like what people do with Pokémon. And the whole what makes one Deku dog different from another, you can design dogs of the same species to look different, same with animals based on the same character. Give it different markings or your own take on a super hero outfit, or some physical feature, maybe he’s a very squany German Shepard with a brindle pattern. I’ve seen tons of captain America inspired characters but they all look different from one another and generally have different back stories.

I'm gonna leave off the ones I'm impartial toward as I feel it'd be silly to just have an "uhhh not sure" haha.

Canon Characters: Yes; I think it would be fair to ban the uploading of just, say, Naruto. While I get wanting to have your kins listed I think it would just be easier to use a thread/note somewhere rather than ripping em to upload (if that makes sense?)

Personalised Playable MCs: 50/50? For games that allow for avatar customization I think it'd be fine to leave them be/allow them; games like Undertale/Deltarune/other ones with non-customizeable MCs then I'd say no? (does that make sense orz. The Frisk example seemed a bit peculiar to me to include here since their appearance isn't customizeable in-game, haha)

Personalized Pet Site Characters: I never saw a problem with these as long as they're appropriately attributed to the site they came from (although limiting tradeability on them could be a good idea? if that'd even be possible, haha.) So a no for banning/moderating these.

Characters belonging to a canon species: I'm going to say no, as (like Whitefire said) it'd snipe a ton of fan characters. I believe most people tend to get unique with the designs for their fan characters for canon species (making it distinctive while also being like.. an umbreon, i suppose?)

Characters belonging to a canon setting (Using outfits from canon, ect): Also going to say no! Like Whitefire said as long as they're not claiming any canon characters (and mentioning the media they're a fandom oc from/using the outfit from, perhaps?) I don't see what the problem would be, ahaha. Pre-existing worlds can be fun to develop in for OCs, and a ban for em might cause some problems.

I'm mainly unsure on my stance on Anime Dogs(tm) and the sonas/cosplay one; my stance on anime dogs mostly coming from,, having a few, orz (and the cosplay one being bc im genuinely not sure about my thoughts on that one, haha)

so TL;DR i guess: +1 to banning direct canon rips, -1(?) to derivative characters.

+1 to re-uploading/uploading a canon character w/0 changes whatsoever

-1 to derivative characters/all other things

I'm gonna cite my reasons being in line with those of lunamoth19, iHolli, BlueRocketMouse, ChristainAnimalLover, and Whitefire's for the most part.

I strongly believe that original characters existing within a canon setting/universes should be allowed in my opinion, characters whose designs are based on/inspired by a canon character but are their own individual within their own right and whose design deviates enough from the canon character are also okay in my book no matter the species. Same with characters who in no way resemble a canon character having a similar characterization or origin of a canon character because that's really hard to police and honestly it'd be easy to cite instances of that behavior within big franchises.

Derivative characters are hard to police, take Warrior cat characters for example. A character might have the name Firestar and also be a ginger cat, but what if they're a female cat and their original name was Fireflower before becoming leader? Another good example is derivative MLP characters. Hasbro must be okay with people having these otherwise they wouldn't have created a pony maker on the official website for the show, so it wouldn't make sense for TH to ban these.

I am on board with the idea of a way to mark a character as being a fan character/derivative character so that they would automatically not be allowed to be sold or traded. That seems reasonable to me, but I also see the possibility of loopholes in that idea as well.

Overall, I think derivative characters should be left alone.

Canon characters:

• EG: Re-uploading Naruto with no changes made to his design or history (usually includes GIFs and screenshots from the anime or copy pasted paragraphs from the character's wiki page)

Derivative characters:

Any characters derivative from canon content - this includes:

Explicit redesigns (eg. Naruto as a dog or furry)

Yes. Taking a copyrighted character like that one Deku boy (Or is it Izuku??? I don't know the exact name for him, I haven't watched the anime and just know him as the green haired kid in that superhero anime my friends on Discord keep chatting about.) character and turning him into a kangaroo, dog, or a cat while keeping everything the same about them is not okay. It's just theft. I mean shit, how'd you feel if your favorite oc was taken, and turned into a dog by some person who just happened to like him? That's what's happening here. Just because it's with a copyrighted character doesn't make it okay. It's still theft yo. So a +1 from me.

Edit: People are arguing for flip-flopped things from animal to human things like pokemon gjinkas, which I am perfectly fine with changing my pokeman gjinka into something else or switching it up a bit, if this rule is put into place. :)

Characters that're described as an OC or sona but resemble the canon character in both personality and appearance or cosplay them 24/7

Okay so, there's a very thin line here to tread on. I'm not really sure on how to address it, mostly because it's kinda confusing to understand? 

Personalised playable MCs (eg. customised Kamui/Robin, Frisk, Gudako/Gudao)

MC stands for like, a main character, if I got that right? (First time I've read this term.) So, if it's a main character that has been changed up to be different from what's been provided in the video game (I'm assuming that this is from a video game? Like from the new MK customize system?), and they have their own personality and backstory that isn't a clone copy of a canon character from the video game franchise it's from, then I guess it's okay? Though recolors are a no from me, and no selling them since they obviously didn't make the video game customized generator themselves. So, a -1 with some specific bits from me.

Personalized pet site/game characters (eg. FlightRising dragons, Neopet/Subeta/ChickenSmoothie pets)

Okay so, first off the bat, no selling or trading of these generator characters. Obviously the art isn't made by the person submitting I find it it to be okay to generate a design to make a character to give a personality and backstory to use, but no selling or trading whatsoever. It's okay to give them away to others though. So, a -1 from me, with clauses on no selling or trading, but giving them away for free is okay.

Characters belonging to a canon species (eg. pokemon OCs, LOZ OCs) 

If it is a fan character with actual work put in and it's obvious that it's just not a copy, and it can stand on it's own two legs as a character in that world, then that is fine. So, a -1 from me.

Characters belonging to a canon setting (eg. BNHA/Hogwarts OCs that use the school uniform taken from canon designs)

Same as above. If it is a fan character with actual work put in and it's obviously that it's just not a copy dot for dot of a cannon character, and it can stand on it's own two legs as a character in that world, then that is fine.

Some side notes I'd like to clarify with:

- I think IP rights should be absolutely added for fandom characters! It's only fair as they have made the world structure, and we have built off of it to either create our own au in that universe, or within that universe itself. An IP rights box in the credit for creation would be a good idea, and I've actually been wanting one for a while now.

- A fan character box is a lovely idea, and I would absolutely use it for all of my fan characters! I think this would go hand in hand with a IP rights box.

- Characters that are the children of cannon characters are okay I guess? I mean they're technically ocs if they were made by someone, and do have personality and a backstory.

- AUs of existing characters are a big no-no, since they are still belonging to a copyrighted franchise.

- Mood Boards/Aesthetic Boards are okay, but cannot be sold/traded for money or anything. They can be given for free however.  

- No dollmaker character submissions for selling/trading unless it's given for free. Proper credit to the proper site should be given too. I have met writers on here and on Tumblr who use these dollmakers as a basis (Aside from their writing of course.) for when they commission artists to draw real references for their characters, so if these were to go away completely, a lot of writers would be left in the gutter.

- Closed species or any species of sorts that derive from online groups like DA or Tumblr that have direct inspiration from a cannon character shouldn't be allowed as well, as it wouldn't make it right to not do that if we're going to take out cat/dog/ect. animal cannon rip-offs.